Comments on: Celebrity CMS Deathmatch – The Beginning

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By: galaxy ace

galaxy ace — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:21:08 +0000

What curious question

By: dguarnaccia

dguarnaccia — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:35:55 +0000

I just posted Sitecore’s response a bit ago. Sorry for the slow response, was waiting to see if someone tagged us, but what the heck we’ll just jump in. You can see our response here: http://dguarnaccia.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/cms-vendor-meme-the-sitecore-response/

By: Christian Løverås

Christian Løverås — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:43:22 +0000

Thanks! We have changed the 0s to 1s now: http://is.gd/nPta

By: chrisregan

chrisregan — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:50:33 +0000

Outstanding… there really is no other word for this…

CMS nerds the world over are awaiting expectantly… Come on guys… you know who you are… we want to know what you think of your own products. Join the conversation. Be brave.

I dare you…

No, that’s not enough…

I *double* dare you.

By: dirk

dirk — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:54:24 +0000

A true fan speaks from the heart. We never like all the songs our favorite bands make. Just hope you like more of the tracks than less. Thanks for sharing.

btw. if you want to see my online ramblings check out http://www.dirkshaw.com

Watching all this unfold is great content for a blog.

Dirk.

By: Jon Marks

Jon Marks — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:50:53 +0000

Yeah, that’s the problem. You’ll be glad to know I am now officially a fan of Vignette, and can comment. I presume a true Fan would never say anything negative, right?

By: dirk

dirk — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:24:23 +0000

Others did, but in the true new facebook style the comments appear on the homepage status but not in context of note. Doh..

Not sure if it has anything to do with being a fan or not. The old version did not require being a fan and i assumed the new would carry same permission model. Never assume, I assume.

Great blog by the way.

Dirk

By: Jon Marks

Jon Marks — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:54:56 +0000

Can other people comment on the FaceBook note? Am I just another victim of New FaceBook Confusion?

By: dirk

dirk — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:23:09 +0000

Hey Jon,

I checked permissions on our facebook page and you should be allowed to comment. If not created a discussion here http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=6874&uid=51429368686

Dirk Shaw,
Vignette

By: Jon Marks

Jon Marks — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:58:54 +0000

Hi Kir,

Thanks for joining the fun. More the merrier!

I don’t see a way to comment in the note. I am logged in to FaceBook. I can report the note for violation of service , or see who likes it. I’m probably being an idiot, but it doesn’t seem that I can comment.

By: Kirsten

Kirsten — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:51:05 +0000

Hey Jon,

I also think this will be interesting all around … but wanted to ask if you had problems with comments on FBook – it should let you comment after the note. Would love to have your feedback posted directly there as well.
Best in monitoring the ongoing conversations!
Kir

By: Thomas Witt

Thomas Witt — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:52:44 +0000

Infopark is joining in as well – see our answers at: http://www.infopark.com/cms-vendor-meme

By: Dog Food, CMS Accessibility and a Nice Surprise « Jon on Tech

Dog Food, CMS Accessibility and a Nice Surprise « Jon on Tech — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:39:50 +0000

[...] on from the wonderfully entertaining “CMS Vendor Meme” (a.k.a. the “CMS Celebrity Deathmatch“), I’d like to drill slightly deeper into Item #9 – Dog Food. For the uninitiated, [...]

By: bdelacretaz

bdelacretaz — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:20:28 +0000

It’s Jahia, not Jahai!

Also, I suggest adding the following string to web pages related to this meme: 9c56d0fcf93175d70e1c9b9d188167cf – searching for that should help find all of them.

By: The CMS vendor meme « bertrand’s brain grep

The CMS vendor meme « bertrand’s brain grep — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:14:42 +0000

[...] vendors have already responded. Except those who don’t know about Twitter or blogs, of course. You don’t want to buy [...]

By: Jon Marks

Jon Marks — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:26:01 +0000

Oh, they certainly know about the challenge. I’ve nagged one of them myself about 12 hours ago. It’s probably needs to get escalated through another few levels of management

And if the marketing team of a big company isn’t looking for their own name on a twitter search by now, they’re so out of touch they’re probably in the wrong industry.

By: Kas Thomas

Kas Thomas — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:19:57 +0000

I know you didn’t think anyone put anyone up to this ;^) I just felt I had to make a public disclosure so folks know it was Day, not I, who made this into a public death-match! Agreed on the “saying you CAN’T do something” comment: Escenic gains credibility by scoring themselves low on so many things. They actually need to add 4 to their score, because technically the scoring for each item can’t go lower than one star, and they gave themselves zero on 4 items.

I think if certain companies don’t respond, it will actually be for one of two reasons: Either they know they won’t score well (and don’t want to be seen playing a game they can’t win), OR they don’t even know about the challenge at all … because they aren’t on Twitter and don’t follow competitors’ blogs.

By: Jon Marks

Jon Marks — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:04:20 +0000

@Kas – Few points. I think some of the biggies won’t respond because they will struggle to score well against some of the pain points. One click install, for example, will hurt. One click “upgrade” would hurt even more I think there might be some internal debates around whether they respond. Really looking forward to the CMS Formally Known As Interwoven to respond.

I think the RFP analogy holds too. But I see (and have to complete) a lot of RFP responses and really like it when a vendor says they *can’t* do something. It makes you believe the rest might be true!

Finally, I didn’t for a second think that anyone put anyone up to any of this. Guess I am just naive …

By: Kas Thomas

Kas Thomas — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:44:17 +0000

Jon, thanks for writing this superb post. You took this in exactly the right spirit, and I’m looking forward (as I’m sure you are) to seeing what kinds of responses the behemoths of the industry will put forward, if any. And BTW, just so there’s no confusion, I didn’t put Day up to this! (Nor did CMS Watch initiate the challenge or ask anyone to.) Day decided to issue the challenge on their own initiative.

Jim is right, this *is* graded on the honor system — so far — and an honor system isn’t very good if people are not acting honorably. ;^) OTOH, to say it has no value is kind of like saying RFPs have no value because vendors always check all the checkboxes. It has entertainment value, if nothing else! And BTW, anybody (with very little research) can tell who’s lying and by how much; it’s not exactly rocket science to see who’s stretching their numbers. That’s part of the fun of watching this unfold.

By: Reality checklist for CMS Vendors | Gunnar's Blog

Reality checklist for CMS Vendors | Gunnar's Blog — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:44:14 +0000

[...] Escenic PS: some commentary. [...]

By: Jon Marks

Jon Marks — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:28:37 +0000

@Christian – Ooops, sorry. I’ve corrected it now.

By: Christian Løverås

Christian Løverås — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:22:06 +0000

Just one comment: It’s “Escenic”, not “eScenic”

By: Jon Marks

Jon Marks — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:00:38 +0000

Well, I’m rather hoping that if a vendor lies (what !?!), the users will jump onto their blog and have a rant.

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:55:36 +0000

Hmmmm…sounds like the old interview question, “tell me what you’re worst points are” to which the standard answer is, “sometimes I get absorbed by my work and work too hard”.

Looking at the responses by Alfresco and Magnolia they don’t criticise themselves very much. Would you believe a self assesment anyway?

It’s an interesting idea but in my opinion useless as the vendors will lie and therefore nobody will believe the scores.