Comments on: I Have a Dream of the CMS Future http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/ Just a nerd trying to save the publishing industry. Again. Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Nicky Sangha http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-15946 Nicky Sangha Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:39:25 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-15946 Assessing the money flow is one more important element within the company strategy format, so as to sustain a normal cash flow to meet the essential capital requirements. Probability of monetary crisis and also the ways of crisis management should be pointed out within the structure. The business strategy should consist from the marketing plans and technique leading towards the expansion in the organization. Assessing the money flow is one more important element within the company strategy format, so as to sustain a normal cash flow to meet the essential capital requirements. Probability of monetary crisis and also the ways of crisis management should be pointed out within the structure. The business strategy should consist from the marketing plans and technique leading towards the expansion in the organization.

]]> By: Rachel McAlpine http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2711 Rachel McAlpine Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:38:04 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2711 And I have a dream that everyone who writes for work produces stuff that is focused, factual, and findable. Even the best CMS is no use when the content is unmanageable. And I have a dream that everyone who writes for work produces stuff that is focused, factual, and findable. Even the best CMS is no use when the content is unmanageable.

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2637 Jon Marks Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:42:23 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2637 Hi James. I like the look of your site, actually. I don't know anything about Symphony CMS but anything that has XSLT in the strapline is worth a look. It's not too late to do the CMS Vendor Meme and tell us all more: http://jonontech.com/2009/03/25/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-3/ Hi James. I like the look of your site, actually. I don’t know anything about Symphony CMS but anything that has XSLT in the strapline is worth a look.

It’s not too late to do the CMS Vendor Meme and tell us all more:
http://jonontech.com/2009/03/25/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-3/

]]> By: James Rubin http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2635 James Rubin Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:33:19 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2635 "Let logical, standard XML formats replace rigid, sparsely populated relational databases!" Have you seen <a href="http://symphony-cms.com/" title="Symphony CMS" rel="nofollow">Symphony</a>? “Let logical, standard XML formats replace rigid, sparsely populated relational databases!”

Have you seen Symphony?

]]> By: Ted Nyberg http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2563 Ted Nyberg Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:49:36 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2563 Umbraco is making good use of XSLT when creating "macros", it's proven to be quite popular - especially among "scripting developers"! Google Search Appliance and Sharepoint are other examples where XSLT is deeply adopted, but I don't think it has won over the majority of system developers yet! :) Umbraco is making good use of XSLT when creating “macros”, it’s proven to be quite popular – especially among “scripting developers”! Google Search Appliance and Sharepoint are other examples where XSLT is deeply adopted, but I don’t think it has won over the majority of system developers yet! :)

]]> By: MKSE.com Martin http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2562 MKSE.com Martin Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:09:15 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2562 Nah, as long as there is money involved, we'll see different standards. The aftermarket is where the real cash is. Nah, as long as there is money involved, we’ll see different standards. The aftermarket is where the real cash is.

]]> By: Paul Jones http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2320 Paul Jones Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:23:05 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2320 Hmmm... can't wait for the novel... My tuppence worth: XSLT is fine as a batch data transformation tool, but I don;t think that it's really expressive enough for interface building. Hmmm… can’t wait for the novel…

My tuppence worth: XSLT is fine as a batch data transformation tool, but I don;t think that it’s really expressive enough for interface building.

]]> By: Lokesh Pant http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2239 Lokesh Pant Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:48:10 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2239 Nice post Jon. I emotionally agree with most of your points and also long for a better world of cms with 'one' standard, one generic templating language, one authentication procedure, one authorization mechanism, one content xml, one CVS system that integrates with all CMS, one interface to access, share and manage content residing on other integrated CMS, User roles that can shared across CMS and one governing body for standards. The fact is "proprietary isolation" is also very much required, as the competition between vendors leads to more innovative ideas, more features and functionalities in CM system. Standards are required for interoperability, but think they do not contribute much in the future of a CMS as a separate entity Nice post Jon. I emotionally agree with most of your points and also long for a better world of cms with ‘one’ standard, one generic templating language, one authentication procedure, one authorization mechanism, one content xml, one CVS system that integrates with all CMS, one interface to access, share and manage content residing on other integrated CMS, User roles that can shared across CMS and one governing body for standards.
The fact is “proprietary isolation” is also very much required, as the competition between vendors leads to more innovative ideas, more features and functionalities in CM system.
Standards are required for interoperability, but think they do not contribute much in the future of a CMS as a separate entity

]]> By: Justin Cormack http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2202 Justin Cormack Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:50:29 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2202 "putting business logic into XSLT" sounds like people are trying to use one tool for everything. XSLT at the presentation layer is fine, but you need other tools elsewhere! “putting business logic into XSLT” sounds like people are trying to use one tool for everything. XSLT at the presentation layer is fine, but you need other tools elsewhere!

]]> By: BiroTom http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2197 BiroTom Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:13:14 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2197 I need to jump on this topic. XSLT can be tricky. We have used SXLT for content renderig for years, and we have mixed feelings. Many of our team loved it and many hated it. Most of the "i hate xslt" actually came from one of the following sources: inadequate knowledge of XSLT, putting business logic into XSLT, trying to template everything in XSLT even when a simpel for-each is more readable and making extremely large XSLT-s. When we used short and simple XLST-s, averyone was satisfied. So I think the question is not wether XSLT is right or wrong, but can you Learn it or not. It is like driving. If people drive like morons, why blame cars? Blame morons. Tom I need to jump on this topic. XSLT can be tricky. We have used SXLT for content renderig for years, and we have mixed feelings. Many of our team loved it and many hated it. Most of the “i hate xslt” actually came from one of the following sources: inadequate knowledge of XSLT, putting business logic into XSLT, trying to template everything in XSLT even when a simpel for-each is more readable and making extremely large XSLT-s.

When we used short and simple XLST-s, averyone was satisfied. So I think the question is not wether XSLT is right or wrong, but can you Learn it or not. It is like driving. If people drive like morons, why blame cars? Blame morons.

Tom

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2196 Jon Marks Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:48:44 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2196 I still don't understand why XSLT is perceived as difficult. Different, yes. Difficult. no. And if you're talking about the system I think you're talking about, it wasn't close at all. Close on the XSLT front, but looking back it was way off target in many areas. That was a long long time ago, wasn't it. The goold old days when services companies would still write their own CMS :-) I still don’t understand why XSLT is perceived as difficult. Different, yes. Difficult. no. And if you’re talking about the system I think you’re talking about, it wasn’t close at all. Close on the XSLT front, but looking back it was way off target in many areas. That was a long long time ago, wasn’t it. The goold old days when services companies would still write their own CMS :-)

]]> By: JS http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2195 JS Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:14:11 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2195 I am too a fan of XSLT, in the ideal world. Sadly it's much easier to just "do the work". I believe this is why XSL hasn't taken off. The barrier to entry is quite big (new "language", data needs to be _structured_ in XML, loads, and loads to write to achieve even the simplest tasks, etc). Still, this dream doesn't sound too far from a certain system you built in the early 2000s. Good post! I am too a fan of XSLT, in the ideal world. Sadly it’s much easier to just “do the work”. I believe this is why XSL hasn’t taken off. The barrier to entry is quite big (new “language”, data needs to be _structured_ in XML, loads, and loads to write to achieve even the simplest tasks, etc).
Still, this dream doesn’t sound too far from a certain system you built in the early 2000s.
Good post!

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2191 Jon Marks Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:09:39 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2191 Glad to see our drink got you off you ass! Love the cartoon you used. I do plan to write more detailed stuff too when I get a moment. Right now, it's 1:00 in London and 20:00 in New York, so it's time to head off for a few anti-jetlag beers. Glad to see our drink got you off you ass! Love the cartoon you used. I do plan to write more detailed stuff too when I get a moment. Right now, it’s 1:00 in London and 20:00 in New York, so it’s time to head off for a few anti-jetlag beers.

]]> By: Justin Cormack http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2188 Justin Cormack Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:50:20 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2188 My <a href="http://blog.technologyofcontent.com/2009/08/cms-technology-choices/" rel="nofollow">post on the future of CMS</a> is more about what we were talking about the other day than a direct response to Julian I guess. My post on the future of CMS is more about what we were talking about the other day than a direct response to Julian I guess.

]]> By: Darren Ferguson http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2174 Darren Ferguson Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:56:01 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2174 +1 for XSLT it does what is required to transform content to markup very well. If you run into problems, most likely an issue with your data capture or CMS implementation. +1 for XSLT it does what is required to transform content to markup very well.

If you run into problems, most likely an issue with your data capture or CMS implementation.

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2172 Jon Marks Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:08:40 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2172 I thought some people might not like that. But I am a huge XSLT fan. Still surprised it hasn't taken off. Maybe it's just ahead of its time. I thought some people might not like that. But I am a huge XSLT fan. Still surprised it hasn’t taken off. Maybe it’s just ahead of its time.

]]> By: Anonymous http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2171 Anonymous Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:02:48 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2171 You had me up until I read "ridiculous templating languages will be replaced with the beauty of XSLT". Then I realised this was a belated April Fool's Joke! ;-) You had me up until I read “ridiculous templating languages will be replaced with the beauty of XSLT”. Then I realised this was a belated April Fool’s Joke! ;-)

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2009/08/01/i-have-a-dream-of-the-cms-future/#comment-2169 Jon Marks Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:22:59 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=965#comment-2169 For those that are wondering, you can blame <a href="http://www.julianwraith.com/?p=313" rel="nofollow">Julian Wraith</a> for this abomination. To find more about this: Twitter Hashtag: #CMSFuture MD5 tag for your posts: 6f82f1d2683dc522545efe863e5d2b73 For those that are wondering, you can blame Julian Wraith for this abomination. To find more about this:

Twitter Hashtag: #CMSFuture
MD5 tag for your posts: 6f82f1d2683dc522545efe863e5d2b73

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