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]]> By: Gerardo A. Dada http://jonontech.com/2009/09/15/when-cms-genes-wont-splice/#comment-2971 Gerardo A. Dada Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:47:19 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1163#comment-2971 Hi John, We tried to answer your question explicitly in the post by Marci: http://webofgold.blogspot.com/2009/09/exciting-road-ahead-for-wcm-at-open.html "Regarding comments on our recent earnings call about “migrating RedDot to the Vignette platform,” the intention is not to combine two products into one or to create an entirely new product from the ground up. Those ....The intention is to take some of those concepts (not the actual code) and implement them on the Vignette platform. At the same time, Web Solutions would continue to be developed and remain a viable option for existing customers. " This statement refers to the combined management and delivery components of both products. There are ongoing conversations to evaluate what other combinations would make sense for customers, for example enaling Vignette Portal as a delivery tool for WSG (Red Dot) Content Management. As Marci's post states, there won't be a new offering built from the ground up. As you mention in your post, viable to merge two different products. I hope this clarifies Gerardo Hi John,

We tried to answer your question explicitly in the post by Marci:
http://webofgold.blogspot.com/2009/09/exciting-road-ahead-for-wcm-at-open.html

“Regarding comments on our recent earnings call about “migrating RedDot to the Vignette platform,” the intention is not to combine two products into one or to create an entirely new product from the ground up. Those ….The intention is to take some of those concepts (not the actual code) and implement them on the Vignette platform. At the same time, Web Solutions would continue to be developed and remain a viable option for existing customers. ”

This statement refers to the combined management and delivery components of both products. There are ongoing conversations to evaluate what other combinations would make sense for customers, for example enaling Vignette Portal as a delivery tool for WSG (Red Dot) Content Management.

As Marci’s post states, there won’t be a new offering built from the ground up. As you mention in your post, viable to merge two different products.

I hope this clarifies

Gerardo

]]> By: Christoph Mause http://jonontech.com/2009/09/15/when-cms-genes-wont-splice/#comment-2959 Christoph Mause Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:57:02 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1163#comment-2959 If OpenText wants to dominate a future WCMS market Option 3 is the only possible choice if they are not going for option 7 (buy all other WCMS vendors too). Sooner or later someone will rethink the WCMS concept and develop a new rising star. It's just a matter of time. It's the fast that eat the slow. If OpenText wants to dominate a future WCMS market Option 3 is the only possible choice if they are not going for option 7 (buy all other WCMS vendors too). Sooner or later someone will rethink the WCMS concept and develop a new rising star. It’s just a matter of time. It’s the fast that eat the slow.

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2009/09/15/when-cms-genes-wont-splice/#comment-2904 Jon Marks Mon, 21 Sep 2009 08:40:14 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1163#comment-2904 All sounds right to me. So would that be an Option 5 with RedDot on life support in a long-term coma? All sounds right to me. So would that be an Option 5 with RedDot on life support in a long-term coma?

]]> By: Chris Lester http://jonontech.com/2009/09/15/when-cms-genes-wont-splice/#comment-2900 Chris Lester Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:52:48 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1163#comment-2900 One of the big factors of what survives will be because of people. Open Text demand loyalty. You only have to see how they stamp their name on a well established brand in the first heart beat after a purchase to know what loyalty to a single vision means to them. Open Text see the Vignette people as more willing accomplices in going forward than the RedDot people. You can see signs of this in the announcements. Not surprising really given Vignette were saved from extinction whereas RedDot probably has buyout fatigue. It is probably the prime reason Vignette has all the front running right now, before the tech. analysts come in and do their jobs properly - I'm guessing they're doing the right talking at the top level. If Open Text worship their revenues (they do) then they would be mad to shut down the RedDot product given their relationship with SAP. The SAP relationship from what I see is working extremely well and I'm not sure why you would tinker with this. What RedDot needs is some love! Instead they got renamed from RedDot CMS to Open Text Web Solutions Suite and must have felt like Cinderella living with the step mother and some ugly sisters. One of the big factors of what survives will be because of people. Open Text demand loyalty. You only have to see how they stamp their name on a well established brand in the first heart beat after a purchase to know what loyalty to a single vision means to them. Open Text see the Vignette people as more willing accomplices in going forward than the RedDot people. You can see signs of this in the announcements. Not surprising really given Vignette were saved from extinction whereas RedDot probably has buyout fatigue. It is probably the prime reason Vignette has all the front running right now, before the tech. analysts come in and do their jobs properly – I’m guessing they’re doing the right talking at the top level.

If Open Text worship their revenues (they do) then they would be mad to shut down the RedDot product given their relationship with SAP. The SAP relationship from what I see is working extremely well and I’m not sure why you would tinker with this. What RedDot needs is some love! Instead they got renamed from RedDot CMS to Open Text Web Solutions Suite and must have felt like Cinderella living with the step mother and some ugly sisters.

]]> By: Adrian Mateljan http://jonontech.com/2009/09/15/when-cms-genes-wont-splice/#comment-2827 Adrian Mateljan Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:40:11 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1163#comment-2827 From the webinar, option 4 with a side order of option 3. But then, what other option do you have if you want to keep option 6 alive? I guess it comes down to - do you believe what OT says? If so, do you believe they can deliver? If so, do you believe they won't change their mind when the next "bargain" comes along? I am not sure history is with them on any of those counts... From the webinar, option 4 with a side order of option 3. But then, what other option do you have if you want to keep option 6 alive? I guess it comes down to – do you believe what OT says? If so, do you believe they can deliver? If so, do you believe they won’t change their mind when the next “bargain” comes along? I am not sure history is with them on any of those counts…

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2009/09/15/when-cms-genes-wont-splice/#comment-2826 Jon Marks Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:38:13 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1163#comment-2826 The lines between Option 1 and Option 4/5 could start to blur. They might well kill a product internally but keep it on life support for a many years to keep existing customers (and revenue streams) happy. And it would almost certainly be the product sitting in the Leader part of the <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/08/10/what-has-the-ministry-of-magic-quadrants-got-against-me/" rel="nofollow">Gartner MQ</a>, keeping the Niche player alive and kicking. Just goes to show - even a product in the top right can die suddenly: The lines between Option 1 and Option 4/5 could start to blur. They might well kill a product internally but keep it on life support for a many years to keep existing customers (and revenue streams) happy. And it would almost certainly be the product sitting in the Leader part of the Gartner MQ, keeping the Niche player alive and kicking. Just goes to show – even a product in the top right can die suddenly:

]]> By: Peter Monks http://jonontech.com/2009/09/15/when-cms-genes-wont-splice/#comment-2813 Peter Monks Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:27:50 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1163#comment-2813 I think option 1 is almost inevitable in some form, unless they choose to divest themselves of some of the products (perhaps after milking them dry). I'm also intrigued by the possibility of "mashups": Management Server with VAP, for example. Anyone think there's any chance of that happening? I think option 1 is almost inevitable in some form, unless they choose to divest themselves of some of the products (perhaps after milking them dry). I’m also intrigued by the possibility of “mashups”: Management Server with VAP, for example. Anyone think there’s any chance of that happening?

]]> By: Anonymous Coward http://jonontech.com/2009/09/15/when-cms-genes-wont-splice/#comment-2812 Anonymous Coward Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:10:38 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1163#comment-2812 By my count that would mean that the PurpleDot Brundlefly option would have 5 asses, rather than 4 (VCM, VAP, DPM, Mgmt Server, Live Server). Perhaps implementing a CMS with a prime number of asses is the content management nirvana we're all in search of? ;-) By my count that would mean that the PurpleDot Brundlefly option would have 5 asses, rather than 4 (VCM, VAP, DPM, Mgmt Server, Live Server). Perhaps implementing a CMS with a prime number of asses is the content management nirvana we’re all in search of? ;-)

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2009/09/15/when-cms-genes-wont-splice/#comment-2808 Jon Marks Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:27:04 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1163#comment-2808 Thanks to the people at Open Text who've approached me and offered clarification. I guess what I want to understand most is how the new "offering that combines key strengths of Web Solutions with the Vignette Content Management platform" will fit in, and which products will it replace. Very simplistically speaking, the Vignette current offering consists of the VCM for pure content management and VAP for Delivery (with Dynamic Portal glueing them together). These are both pure J2EE applications. Web Solutions has Management Server for content management, which is mainly .NET based and LiveServer, which is Java based. In both architectures, the content production and content delivery components are essentially different products. Will the new offering replace all four of these components, or will it focus specifically on either the CMS compontent or the Delivery component? Thanks to the people at Open Text who’ve approached me and offered clarification.

I guess what I want to understand most is how the new “offering that combines key strengths of Web Solutions with the Vignette Content Management platform” will fit in, and which products will it replace.

Very simplistically speaking, the Vignette current offering consists of the VCM for pure content management and VAP for Delivery (with Dynamic Portal glueing them together). These are both pure J2EE applications. Web Solutions has Management Server for content management, which is mainly .NET based and LiveServer, which is Java based. In both architectures, the content production and content delivery components are essentially different products. Will the new offering replace all four of these components, or will it focus specifically on either the CMS compontent or the Delivery component?

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