Comments on: An Incomplete Directory of Open Standards http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/ Just a nerd trying to save the publishing industry. Again. Fri, 11 May 2012 17:43:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-6295 Jon Marks Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:14:11 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-6295 Note to self. There is now an Apache Project (Shindig - http://incubator.apache.org/shindig/) providing an OpenSocial reference. I didn't know this. Very exciting. Note to self. There is now an Apache Project (Shindig – http://incubator.apache.org/shindig/) providing an OpenSocial reference. I didn’t know this. Very exciting.

]]> By: Paul Carvill http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-6088 Paul Carvill Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:40:05 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-6088 What! No mention of <strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript" rel="nofollow">ECMAScript</a></strong>, the world's most-installed programming language? I'd also like to see some mention of <strong><a href="http://microformats.org/" rel="nofollow">Microformats</a></strong> such as <strong>hCard</strong>, <strong>vCard</strong> and <strong>hCalendar</strong>, which seem to have been in RFC since 1998 and are as close to a de facto open standard as you can get. What! No mention of ECMAScript, the world’s most-installed programming language?

I’d also like to see some mention of Microformats such as hCard, vCard and hCalendar, which seem to have been in RFC since 1998 and are as close to a de facto open standard as you can get.

]]> By: Justin Cormack http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-6009 Justin Cormack Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:23:01 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-6009 Here is the first version. No OSGI yet... and not enough standards bodies mentioned http://blog.technologyofcontent.com/2010/01/standards-diagram/ Prezi is fun! Havent worked it all out yet though... Here is the first version. No OSGI yet… and not enough standards bodies mentioned

http://blog.technologyofcontent.com/2010/01/standards-diagram/

Prezi is fun! Havent worked it all out yet though…

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-5989 Jon Marks Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:17:46 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-5989 Can believe I forgot OSGi. Justin - make sure that's in your uber-diagram ;-) Can believe I forgot OSGi. Justin – make sure that’s in your uber-diagram ;-)

]]> By: Matt Hamilton http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-5987 Matt Hamilton Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:47:08 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-5987 Just to add to this, my response and take on this is now up: http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2010/1/11/open-source:-does-it-matter -Matt Just to add to this, my response and take on this is now up:
http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2010/1/11/open-source:-does-it-matter

-Matt

]]> By: Tom Tague http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-5986 Tom Tague Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:43:36 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-5986 Tom Tague from OpenCalais here. First - thanks for mentioning Tagaroo - and a brief clarification on usage. You can use it as much as you want - for commercial or non-commercial blogs - up to 50,000 times per day (that's a lot of posts). It works on top of the OpenCalais service which has the same usage rules. For those 50,000 transactions you get the full OpenCalais capability - not some dumbed down version. Above 50,000 per day and we'd like to have a discussion on some flavor of value exchange. Thanks for the article! Regards Tom Tague from OpenCalais here.

First – thanks for mentioning Tagaroo – and a brief clarification on usage. You can use it as much as you want – for commercial or non-commercial blogs – up to 50,000 times per day (that’s a lot of posts). It works on top of the OpenCalais service which has the same usage rules.

For those 50,000 transactions you get the full OpenCalais capability – not some dumbed down version. Above 50,000 per day and we’d like to have a discussion on some flavor of value exchange.

Thanks for the article!

Regards

]]> By: Matt Hamilton http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-5972 Matt Hamilton Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:04:53 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-5972 Yes there are a lot of standards.... but in my opinion few of them actually help you in delivering an actual CMS project. Most of them are to do with getting data in and out of a system (SQL, CMIS), or the way in which the data is presented to the end user (HTML, XML, CSS). If you need to implement a specific piece of functionality that your proprietary CMS system does not support then you can yell 'Open Standards' until you are blue in the face. If there isn't an API that allows you to do what you want to do, or the vendor does not support (or want to support) what it is you want to do then you are out of luck. Simple as that. So, yes I agree that Open Standards are a must, and are IMHO a *minimum* needed, but I don't think they can encompass the whole benefit in terms of flexibility, transparency, and balance of power between vendor and client you get from Open Source. -Matt Yes there are a lot of standards…. but in my opinion few of them actually help you in delivering an actual CMS project. Most of them are to do with getting data in and out of a system (SQL, CMIS), or the way in which the data is presented to the end user (HTML, XML, CSS).

If you need to implement a specific piece of functionality that your proprietary CMS system does not support then you can yell ‘Open Standards’ until you are blue in the face. If there isn’t an API that allows you to do what you want to do, or the vendor does not support (or want to support) what it is you want to do then you are out of luck. Simple as that.

So, yes I agree that Open Standards are a must, and are IMHO a *minimum* needed, but I don’t think they can encompass the whole benefit in terms of flexibility, transparency, and balance of power between vendor and client you get from Open Source.

-Matt

]]> By: James Holderness http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-5944 James Holderness Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:25:06 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-5944 I just realised Justin already pointed that out. Ignore me. I just realised Justin already pointed that out. Ignore me.

]]> By: James Holderness http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-5943 James Holderness Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:22:50 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-5943 On the subject of SVG, I think there's still a good chance that it'll take off given that <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/01/microsofts-collaboration-on-svg-is-a-win-for-the-open-web.ars" title="Microsoft's collaboration on SVG is a win for the open Web" rel="nofollow">Microsoft is now showing an interest</a>. On the subject of SVG, I think there’s still a good chance that it’ll take off given that Microsoft is now showing an interest.

]]> By: Janus Boye http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-5939 Janus Boye Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:01:29 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-5939 So many standards, so much confusion. It seems to me that in general proprietary vendors does just a good job of standards compliance compared to open source vendors. I know that Microsoft has not been great historically, but IBM and Oracle seems to do well with most if not all of the above. So many standards, so much confusion.
It seems to me that in general proprietary vendors does just a good job of standards compliance compared to open source vendors. I know that Microsoft has not been great historically, but IBM and Oracle seems to do well with most if not all of the above.

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-5936 Jon Marks Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:49:42 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-5936 Looking forward to seeing it. I don't think they need to be directly related to the Content Management side. Content Delivery / PMS side standards should get on there too. Looking forward to seeing it. I don’t think they need to be directly related to the Content Management side. Content Delivery / PMS side standards should get on there too.

]]> By: Justin Cormack http://jonontech.com/2010/01/10/an-incomplete-directory-of-open-standards/#comment-5922 Justin Cormack Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:44:57 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1445#comment-5922 Hey, <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/06/microsoft_svg_w3c/" rel="nofollow">Microsoft just applied to join the SVG working group</a> so there is hope yet! The only real filesystem standards are in POSIX which starts to get a little bit tangential perhaps. Plus NFS, which is IETF. CIFS is not standardized by any external body. There are not a huge number of standards specifically related to content management, I think a diagram could work here... will work on something. Hey, Microsoft just applied to join the SVG working group so there is hope yet!

The only real filesystem standards are in POSIX which starts to get a little bit tangential perhaps. Plus NFS, which is IETF. CIFS is not standardized by any external body.

There are not a huge number of standards specifically related to content management, I think a diagram could work here… will work on something.

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