Comments on: The Cloud – Not A Crock of Shit http://jonontech.com/2010/06/21/the-cloud-not-a-crock-of-shit/ Just a nerd trying to save the publishing industry. Again. Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: James Humphrey http://jonontech.com/2010/06/21/the-cloud-not-a-crock-of-shit/#comment-26810 James Humphrey Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:27:30 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1659#comment-26810 "To the cloud!" is the battle cry in Microsoft's Windows 7 commercials. They use this term for anything from Remote Desktop to SaaS photoshop applications. I still claim the word "cloud" is used so ubiquitously as to be worthless. I stick by the comment I made on your 2009 post. Everyone's rushing to use a piece of the heat; frankly, I think it's kind of gutless to attach the word to any project. “To the cloud!” is the battle cry in Microsoft’s Windows 7 commercials. They use this term for anything from Remote Desktop to SaaS photoshop applications. I still claim the word “cloud” is used so ubiquitously as to be worthless. I stick by the comment I made on your 2009 post. Everyone’s rushing to use a piece of the heat; frankly, I think it’s kind of gutless to attach the word to any project.

]]> By: Ian Truscott http://jonontech.com/2010/06/21/the-cloud-not-a-crock-of-shit/#comment-14728 Ian Truscott Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:18:12 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1659#comment-14728 Nice post Jon, but I feel I should explain myself. My comment on twitter was in the context of some of the cynicism of the cloud computing hype, the comment I replied to from Lawrence (@piewords)referred to an April fools post that CMSWatch/Real Story Group published that gently poked fun at this - my comment was said with tongue firmly in cheek. When I tweeted I had been stumbling into your (fictitious) 44% - I too have seen people refer to hosting as the cloud, specifically as 'a private cloud'. Toss 'virtual' on the front of that and you have a buzzword bingo full house, some new age fairy dust has been sprinkled over SaaS and Hosting - and lets face it Jon, if you didn't know any better last year, what hope for the poor chaps that hold the budgets and buy this stuff today. It's not just the purveyors of software and services - there are still plenty of IT folks that consider any service they get that is not from their server room to be 'from the cloud', especially services like Twitter or Salesforce that you use or pay for like a utility. They are not snake oil salesman, they are just trying to justify these models to senior management and are also reaching for the same buzzword-du-jour fairy dust. I rarely find myself needing to reach into the gubbings of computing these days, so likely to make myself look like a cock again. But here goes, the term 'the cloud' is so open for interpretation - I like your analogy to these services and Java Application Server, does this make these a Platform as a Service? Not my area of expertise, just a thought.. Anyway, tweet carefully out there folks, Jon is watching ;-) Ian @iantruscott Nice post Jon, but I feel I should explain myself.

My comment on twitter was in the context of some of the cynicism of the cloud computing hype, the comment I replied to from Lawrence (@piewords)referred to an April fools post that CMSWatch/Real Story Group published that gently poked fun at this – my comment was said with tongue firmly in cheek.

When I tweeted I had been stumbling into your (fictitious) 44% – I too have seen people refer to hosting as the cloud, specifically as ‘a private cloud’. Toss ‘virtual’ on the front of that and you have a buzzword bingo full house, some new age fairy dust has been sprinkled over SaaS and Hosting – and lets face it Jon, if you didn’t know any better last year, what hope for the poor chaps that hold the budgets and buy this stuff today.

It’s not just the purveyors of software and services – there are still plenty of IT folks that consider any service they get that is not from their server room to be ‘from the cloud’, especially services like Twitter or Salesforce that you use or pay for like a utility. They are not snake oil salesman, they are just trying to justify these models to senior management and are also reaching for the same buzzword-du-jour fairy dust.

I rarely find myself needing to reach into the gubbings of computing these days, so likely to make myself look like a cock again. But here goes, the term ‘the cloud’ is so open for interpretation – I like your analogy to these services and Java Application Server, does this make these a Platform as a Service?

Not my area of expertise, just a thought..

Anyway, tweet carefully out there folks, Jon is watching ;-)

Ian

@iantruscott

]]> By: Jon Marks http://jonontech.com/2010/06/21/the-cloud-not-a-crock-of-shit/#comment-14723 Jon Marks Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:57:10 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1659#comment-14723 CHAVS only behave worse than on-premise apps when they're watching football or have had too much to drink. Then they do get really chatty. CHAVS only behave worse than on-premise apps when they’re watching football or have had too much to drink. Then they do get really chatty.

]]> By: Philippe Parker (@proops) http://jonontech.com/2010/06/21/the-cloud-not-a-crock-of-shit/#comment-14722 Philippe Parker (@proops) Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:43:39 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1659#comment-14722 Jon, really interesting and thoughtful post. Players with huge resources like Amazon will be able to provide storage and power at a cost and flexibility that traditional co-lo and managed service providers cannot; that virtualisation will be increasingly important; and that this has a direct impact on hardware provision. [...] Microsoft and Google and going more and more cloudy. Oh, wait a minute. I said that last year. Jon, really interesting and thoughtful post.

Players with huge resources like Amazon will be able to provide storage and power at a cost and flexibility that traditional co-lo and managed service providers cannot; that virtualisation will be increasingly important; and that this has a direct impact on hardware provision. [...] Microsoft and Google and going more and more cloudy.

Oh, wait a minute. I said that last year.

]]> By: Peter http://jonontech.com/2010/06/21/the-cloud-not-a-crock-of-shit/#comment-14708 Peter Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:44:12 +0000 http://jonontech.com/?p=1659#comment-14708 How about adding bulk data import / export to the comparison matrix? The few times I've tried to convince people to use the cloud that didn't involve security folks screaming for blood, the ramifications of trying to squeeze umpti-bezillion camelbytes of data through teh eye-of-the-internets quickly brought things to a grinding halt. Amazon is quite good in this regard (with AWS import / export), but even then trying to persuade someone to ship their valuable data via UPS / Fedex / wotnot (not to mention the timing hassles shipping adds to a project schedule!) became a Sisyphean task. Also, no matter how you slice it, Cloud Hosted Application Virtual Systems (ah acronyms, how I love thee!) tend to behave worse than on-premise apps when it comes to large data requests and/or chatty client applications (AJAX apps I'm looking at you!). Not that I'm by any means an active participant, but I've not heard much discussion from the Cloud Cognoscenti about the seemingly important constraints that the speed of light implies to hosted cloud solutions. How about adding bulk data import / export to the comparison matrix? The few times I’ve tried to convince people to use the cloud that didn’t involve security folks screaming for blood, the ramifications of trying to squeeze umpti-bezillion camelbytes of data through teh eye-of-the-internets quickly brought things to a grinding halt. Amazon is quite good in this regard (with AWS import / export), but even then trying to persuade someone to ship their valuable data via UPS / Fedex / wotnot (not to mention the timing hassles shipping adds to a project schedule!) became a Sisyphean task.

Also, no matter how you slice it, Cloud Hosted Application Virtual Systems (ah acronyms, how I love thee!) tend to behave worse than on-premise apps when it comes to large data requests and/or chatty client applications (AJAX apps I’m looking at you!). Not that I’m by any means an active participant, but I’ve not heard much discussion from the Cloud Cognoscenti about the seemingly important constraints that the speed of light implies to hosted cloud solutions.

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