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		<title>Will Vignette Give Open Text Food Poisoning?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It's been a few days since the announcement that Open Text will absorb Vignette. Most of the larger analysts have thrown their opinions on the deal into the ring, and some patterns are emerging. I've even got some of my own thoughts too. And they're not all good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>Well, my head&#8217;s full of questions<br />
My temp&#8217;rature&#8217;s risin&#8217; fast<br />
Well, I&#8217;m lookin&#8217; for some answers<br />
But I don&#8217;t know who to ask<br />
- MIXED UP CONFUSION</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s been a few days since the announcement that <a id="h5ym" title="Open Text will absorb Vignette" href="http://www.opentext.com/2/global/press-release-details.html?id=2201">Open Text will absorb Vignette</a>. Most of the important analysts have thrown their opinions on the deal into the ring, and some patterns are emerging. AIIM&#8217;s John Mancini has compiled collections of commentary <a id="stru" title="here" href="http://aiim.typepad.com/aiim_blog/2009/05/a-second-compilation-of-commentary-on-opentext-and-vignette-acquisition.html">here</a> and <a id="tr24" title="here" href="http://aiim.typepad.com/aiim_blog/2009/05/get-it-all-in-one-place----perspectives-on-vignette-and-opentext.html">here</a> for those that want everything in one place. I&#8217;d like to offer my thoughts on what has been said from the tech perspective. I&#8217;ve no idea about exactly what keeps shareholders happy. Everything in this post is of course pure speculation.</p>
<p><a href="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/opentext1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-630" title="opentext1" src="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/opentext1.jpg" alt="opentext1" width="448" height="133" /></a></p>
<h3>Why did they buy it?</h3>
<p>According to this <a href="http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-cms/open-text-why-they-wanted-to-buy-vignette-004570.php">CMS Wire post</a>, Open Text CEO John Shackleton has the answer:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Shackleton ] indicated that Vignette is one of the last big players in the market and they saw a number of synergies with the web content management assets that the Vignette deal brings them. Along with sharing a number of high profile brands, Shackleton also indicated that Vignette&#8217;s records management expertise and their analytics capabilities had caught Open Text&#8217;s eye.</p></blockquote>
<p>The fact that they share clients is true, but I don&#8217;t get why that makes it a good idea to buy them. Surely they want to buy new customers, not the ones they have already? The WCM synergies bit might make some sense. The rest is nonsense. I&#8217;ll talk about Open Text&#8217;s more mature records management expertise later in this post, but what exactly are Vignette&#8217;s analytics capabilities? If we mean <a href="http://www.vignette.com/us/Solutions/Experience-Optimization">Vignette Experience Optimization Products</a>, I thought that those were:</p>
<ul>
<li> <a href="http://www.vignette.com/portal/site/us/menuitem.62215d74e262b2ba32189210180141a0/?vgnextoid=a6df15d987238110VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD&amp;vgnextchannel=c35f15d987238110VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD&amp;vgnextfmt=default&amp;vgnext-selected-menuitem=4b09bdd80b8ff1e8fb3d8010180141a0&amp;gbl-vcmartguid=a6df15d987238110VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD">Recommendations</a>, which is an OEM&#8217;ed <a href="http://www.baynote.com/company/news/news.php?newsID=67">Baynote </a>with a light sprinkling of new features</li>
<li> Analytics, which is just <a href="http://www.omniture.com/en/products/online_analytics/sitecatalyst">Omniture SiteCatalyst</a> and a &#8220;best practices integration guide&#8221;</li>
<li> Advanced Search, which is &#8220;a more powerful version of the IDOL engine from Autonomy&#8221;. Not sure what the &#8220;more powerful&#8221; bit means. I wonder if Interwoven will get the weak version from their new parent company.</li>
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<p>Surely Open Text isn&#8217;t buying OEM deals? Let&#8217;s try another justification, from <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/136451-open-text-bid-for-vignette-a-positive-for-rbc">RBC Capital Markets analyst Mike Abramsky</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Vignette&#8217;s WCM solutions/technology/expertise brings to OTEX sophisticated features (transactions, analytics, ecommerce, etc) required by larger online accounts, which represent a lucrative opportunity and potentially a growth area when the economy rebounds.</p></blockquote>
<p>Where do they get this stuff? Analytics mentioned again. What &#8220;transaction&#8221; or &#8220;eCommerce&#8221; sophisticated features will Vignette&#8217;s WCM solution bring? I suspect they bought it for exactly the reasons I don&#8217;t understand, don&#8217;t like, and will eventually screw the implementers and customers. Which is why none of the official press releases make much sense. The unofficial commentary from people like CMS Watch (<a href="http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1582-Open-Text-Acquires-Vignette">Kas</a>, <a href="http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1585-Open-Text-Vignette-Second-Take">Alan</a>) is surely closer to the truth.</p>
<p>Vignette was sitting in the Enterprise CMS Vendor Clearance bucket, so Open Text got it extremely cheaply. The reasons for the acquisition are certainly strategic and don&#8217;t involve technology. Open Text have bought plenty of other CMS vendors and the products ended up on the fast track to oblivion. <em>Five years ago</em>, a post from Bloor Research entitled <a id="ur8p" title="Open Text Rolls Out The First Fruits Of Its Merger With Ixos" href="http://www.it-director.com/technology/productivity/content.php?cid=7060">Open Text Rolls Out The First Fruits Of Its Merger With Ixos</a> started like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>You could imagine that Open Text had been suffering somewhat from indigestion after having recently acquired a range of content management and Web publishing companies that include Ixos and Gauss, not to mention Corechange and Obtree. Open Text says that the fit between Ixos and Open Text, its most significant acquisition, has been excellent with very few overlaps in capability.</p></blockquote>
<p>Where are Ixos, Gauss, Corechange and Obtree now? I wonder if history is repeating itself.</p>
<h3>Will the Technical Stacks Ever Merge?</h3>
<p>As I said in my <a id="y-te" title="previous post" href="../2009/05/06/omg-open-text-buy-grandpa-vignette/">previous post on the acquistion</a>, the Open Text and Vignette technology stacks overlap enormously. Virtually every Vignette product is man-marked by its Open Text counterpart. So will there be consolidation and integration within the product suite? Most likely, no. Most analysts think that the products are going to stay separate. Even if they wanted to, they probably couldn&#8217;t. I like Alan Peltz-Sharpe&#8217;s summary of this the most, from his  CMSWatch posting <a id="bzcn" title="Why Open Text bought Vignette -- the real story" href="http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1585-Open-Text-Vignette-Second-Take">Why Open Text bought Vignette &#8212; the real story</a> :</p>
<blockquote><p>Gluing them together is just not feasible on this scale, it cannot be done regardless of what the marketing from Open Text (or Autonomy in it&#8217;s turn) might like you to believe. All you can really do is to slash costs where possible,  leave the technology pieces alone as much as possible, and milk the product and customer base as cash cows.</p></blockquote>
<h3>So Can Open Text Milk These Cash Cows?</h3>
<p>Where does Vignette currently get its revenues from? Here is a summary of the figures from Q1 2009 taken from <a id="ei9m" title="Q1 2009 from the earnings report" href="http://biz.yahoo.com/e/090508/vign10-q.html">the earnings report</a>. It compares the numbers (which are in $ millions) from  Q1 2009 with the same period in 2008.</p>
<p><a href="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/vign_q1_revenues.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-631" title="vign_q1_revenues" src="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/vign_q1_revenues.jpg" alt="vign_q1_revenues" width="672" height="477" /></a>The numbers are lower in 2009 than 2008. No surprises there. Digging a bit deeper into the three areas:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Licenses </strong>- New license sales seem to be about 20% of the revenue, and that&#8217;s likely to continue to decrease significantly with the current economic climate and the uncertainty created by the aquisition</li>
<li><strong>Maintenance and Support</strong> &#8211; This is currently over half of their revenue. Certainly the fattest cash cow which needs to be milked with care. Service levels need to remain constant or improve. Many existing customers will be relieved that Vignette have been acquired and will happily continue paying here if Open Text can keep them sweet.</li>
<li><strong>Professional Services</strong> &#8211; This was traditionally a large part of Vignette&#8217;s revenue. I remember people saying that <a href="http://sala.us/blog/?p=51">at one point it was 50%</a> of the total but my top secret sources (Yahoo! Finance) don&#8217;t think it has been that high for many years. It was 33% in Q1 2008 and down to 25% in Q1 2009. I can&#8217;t see this rising dramatically. VPS earn cash when new projects are sold, so their revenue contribution will fall as licenses fall. I wonder if VPS and Open Text Professional Services will merge.</li>
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<p>Clearly just milking the Maintenance and Support cow isn&#8217;t enough as Vignette is currently losing money. What about new opportunities for OTEX:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Migrations </strong>- The existing Vignette customers will not have an appetite for expensive migrations to Open Text products, and would probably like to stay where they are. It is also unlikely that Open Text would want to migrate any customers in the other directions. Not many migrations will happen in either direction.</li>
<li><strong>Cross Sells/Up Sells</strong> &#8211; This seems to be where everyone is betting the farm. If OTEX can&#8217;t sell new products or services into the existing (non-profitable) client base, the whole thing might have been an extremely bad idea.</li>
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<p>This is summerised nicely by Gartner&#8217;s Toby Bell in his article <a id="k.:j" title="Win ‘Em, Wring ‘Em, and Wean ‘Em" href="http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/2009/05/07/win-em-wring-em-and-wean-em/">Win ‘Em, Wring ‘Em, and Wean ‘Em</a>. He also adds an important insight about the timing of Open Text&#8217;s move:</p>
<blockquote><p>Open Text seems to have wisely waited until the falloff of potentially more fickle customers and prospects had been completed. The business core thus revealed, it swooped in with the right offer at the right time. VIGN’s value to Open Text is not the technology, it’s the seats. The very plushy ones of large enterprises with global potential to look at one of its own (now) incumbent suppliers to provision other user needs. And, Open Text has options for those enterprises in spades.</p></blockquote>
<p>Open Text have now Won &#8216;Em. I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll be able to Wring &#8216;Em for much. The most important piece is how well they will Wean &#8216;Em.</p>
<h3>What&#8217;s the Open Text new sales strategy going to be?</h3>
<p>Let&#8217;s forget the past, for a second. Picture the scene &#8211; you&#8217;re a sales guy with a Vignette history and an Open Text business card and you&#8217;re meeting with a new prospect. What are you going to be selling?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll still be selling Vignette Content Management (VCM). It has the perception of being &#8220;more enterprise&#8221; than  <a id="l98z" title="Open Text Web Solutions" href="http://websolutions.opentext.com/products_web_content_management.htm">Open Text Web Solutions</a> nee RedDot. It is possible that they&#8217;ll follow a similiar model to Alterian and have two different tiers. <a id="iujh" title="Alterian" href="http://alterian-content-management.com/default.aspx">Alterian</a> have Corporate Edition (Immediacy) and Enterprise Edition (Morello). However, Open Text already push their RedDot solution as Enterprise ready (for example, this <a id="ulih" title="recent press release" href="http://websolutions.opentext.com/3444.htm">recent press release</a> ), so I think it is more likely they&#8217;ll split on technology. If a customer has an existing J2EE infrastructure they&#8217;ll sell Open Text Web Solution For Java (a.k.a Vignette), and they&#8217;ll sell Open Text Web Solution.NET (a.k.a. RedDot) to the Microsoft based clients. Of course they need to brand all this nicely so that the customers don&#8217;t get confused.</p>
<p><a id="palf" title="Vignette Application Portal" href="http://www.vignette.com/portal/site/us/menuitem.62215d74e262b2ba32189210180141a0/?vgnextoid=b38e75060e1eb010VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD&amp;vgnextchannel=9348bc7ee19d7010VgnVCM1000008110140aRCRD&amp;vgnextfmt=default&amp;vgnext-selected-menuitem=4b09bdd80b8ff1e8fb3d8010180141a0&amp;gbl-vcmartguid=b38e75060e1eb010VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD">Vignette Application Portal</a> (VAP) will also be on your selling list. It is the only major product that doesn&#8217;t have an Open Text alternative, so it could lead a long and healthy life. Open Text might also push this to their existing customers as the delivery mechanism of choice. I hope they only do this when it is appropriate &#8211; see my previous rant on <a id="pwp9" title="Portals That Walk And Talk Like Ducks" href="../2009/04/17/portals-that-walk-and-talk-like-ducks/">Portals That Walk And Talk Like Ducks</a>. If both VAP and VCM are sold, that probably means that Dynamic Portal Module (DPM) won&#8217;t get the bullet quite yet. Pity about that.</p>
<p>Digital Asset Management will be Open Text&#8217;s Artesia. Possibly the end of Vignette&#8217;s <a id="prlm" title="Rich Media Services" href="http://www.vignette.com/us/Solutions/Rich-Media-and-Video">Rich Media Services</a>. Maybe it will still be sold into certain verticals, but I wouldn&#8217;t bet on it. Vignette <a id="s.s1" title="IDM" href="http://www.vignette.com/idm/">IDM</a> already has an integration with Artesia. Speaking of which, I&#8217;m not sure if the Imaging part of this will survive either. The Document Management product of choice going forward will undoubtedly be LiveLink. After the Tower aquisition, &#8220;Vignette never really figured out what to do with the document management solutions and they dropped out of sight as far as the market was concerned.&#8221; Open Text as a company understands <a id="ey6i" title="Transactional Content Management" href="http://www.opentext.com/2/global/sol-products/pro-transactional-content-mgmt.htm">Transactional Content Management</a> better than Vignette does, has a long history of Records Management, and I think all their products will dominate in this area. The quote is taken from the timely article <a id="j55a" title="Google should buy Vignette - but not for the obvious reasons" href="http://www.contentmatters.com/2009/03/25/google-should-buy-vignette/">Google should buy Vignette &#8211; but not for the obvious reasons</a> by Michael Wilson, who knows more than most about Vignette&#8217;s capabilities in this area.</p>
<p>The bad news for our hyphothetical salesman is that I don&#8217;t believe we&#8217;ll be seeing many large new sales this year. Some people think otherwise. For example, Yuval Ararat <a id="h-xb" title="blogs here" href="http://www.yuvalararat.com/2009/05/why-open-text-bought-vignette/">blogs here</a> that the Financial Sector is going to wake up soon, and that&#8217;s going to be good news for Vignette and their pipeline-waiting-to-happen. They do have a large financial sector client base, but this might be part of their problem at the moment. I hope Yuval is right, but I don&#8217;t share his confidence.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been over ten years since Vignette IPO&#8217;ed. I started working with it in the days of Story Server. I hope that some of the technology makes it into the next generation of Open Text products. Surely they wouldn&#8217;t spend all that money and kill off the tech? But $310 million is a fraction of what Vignette paid for OnDisplay in the dot-boom days. And we all know how much of that technology survived.</p>
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		<title>OMG! Open Text buy Grandpa Vignette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gotta admit, this one took me by surprise. Open Text has just announced that they are aquiring Vignette. There is more to come, but here are my initial thoughts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>We grew up together<br />
From the cradle to the grave<br />
We died and were reborn<br />
And then mysteriously saved.<br />
- OH, SISTER</p></blockquote>
<p>I gotta admit, this one took me by surprise. Open Text has just announced that they are <a href="http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/May2009/06/c8873.html">aquiring Vignette</a>. There were the usual rumours in the air, but I don&#8217;t think many people took it seriously. I know I didn&#8217;t. First RedDot. Then Vizible. Now this. Anyone remember Gauss and Obtree? I&#8217;ve been using Vignette since 1999 and have become very fond of it. Maybe this is the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome">Stockholm Syndrome</a>, but anyway.</p>
<p><a href="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/opentext.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-618" title="opentext" src="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/opentext.jpg" alt="opentext" width="905" height="173" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to write much now &#8211; I need time to digest things  &#8211; but there is a lot to think about here. But off the top of my confused head:</p>
<ul>
<li>The Vignette name will probably vanish in the same way that the RedDot name recently did. How about &#8220;More Open Text Web Solutions&#8221;? That&#8217;s catchy.  The end of an era, as I blogged about <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/04/04/when-cms-memes-attack/">here</a>.</li>
<li>I suspect that <a href="http://www.vignette.com/us/Solutions/Web-Content-Management">Vignette Content Management</a> is going to be around for a while. A lot of customers have been through a lot of effort recently to get onto the latest versions. I can&#8217;t see Open Text messing with that baby. So it looks like three Open Text CMS choices for a while &#8211; the original, the ex-RedDot and the ex-VCM.</li>
<li>Vignette have a Collaboration product, and have recently announced their new <a href="http://www.vignette.com/portal/site/us/menuitem.62215d74e262b2ba32189210180141a0/?vgnextoid=7269f2ca34429110VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD&amp;vgnext-selected-menuitem=191626ff2f7512e8fb3d8010180141a0&amp;gbl-vcmprguid=7269f2ca34429110VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD">Vignette Community Services</a>. OpenText have a large <a href="http://www.opentext.com/2/global/sol-products/sol-pro-collaboration-community-management.htm">Collaboration and Community Management</a> component. Something is going to happen here.</li>
<li>I think the Portal will stay as it is. Open Text currently have the <a href="http://www.opentext.com/2/global/sol-products/sol-pro-enterprise-portals/pro-ll-portal-integration-kit.htm">Open Text Portal Integration Kit</a>. Expect to see this become tightly ingrated with VAP via the JSR-168 portlets. Hopefully it will replace Dynamic Portal in the longer term. Open Text don&#8217;t have their own portal.</li>
<li>The needs to be some Records Management consolidation I would think. No point have both <a href="http://www.opentext.com/2/global/sol-products/sol-pro-records-management/pro-ll-records-management-rm.htm">Open Text Records Management</a> and <a href="http://www.vignette.com/portal/site/us/menuitem.62215d74e262b2ba32189210180141a0/?vgnextoid=346675060e1eb010VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD&amp;vgnextchannel=7c4295338521b010VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD&amp;vgnextfmt=default&amp;vgnext-selected-menuitem=4b09bdd80b8ff1e8fb3d8010180141a0&amp;gbl-vcmartguid=346675060e1eb010VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD">Vignette Records Manager</a> is there? I&#8217;m guessing one of these will become dominant, and customers will be (slowly) migrated. This will take many years, though.</li>
<li>Maybe there will be a similar product collision in the Imaging/Workflow/Capture area, and the Business Process Management areas. I don&#8217;t know much about this stuff, so ain&#8217;t going to guess anything.</li>
<li>Open Text have a more more mature DAM offering in <a href="http://www.opentext.com/2/sol-products/sol-pro-digital-asset-mgmt/pro-artesia-dam.htm">Artesia</a>. I wonder if the much heralded, newly launched <a href="http://www.vignette.com/us/Solutions/Rich-Media-and-Video">Vignette Rich Media</a> is going to have a long and healthy life. Maybe some of the fancy front end technology will get used (Vizible is more fancy). I suspect the Vignette&#8217;s DAM days are numbered.</li>
</ul>
<p>I really really hope that this is going to be a good thing for Vignette. Maybe it is exactly what they needed. But, on the other hand, maybe it isn&#8217;t. In my experience, these things are never that smooth for the company that gets absorbed. I do worry about the existing Vignette employees. These kinds of deals are never without pain, and I hope that the people that have been sweating blood for VIGN aren&#8217;t badly affected. I also worry about the existing Vignette customers &#8211; I see roadmap changes on the horizon. I&#8217;m sure the customer-centric analysts will have a lot to say here.</p>
<p>And finally, I wonder how much fun Tony Byrne is going to have drawing the <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/09/cms-watch-subway-vendor-map-2009/">2010 Content Technology Vendor Map</a>. The number of big stations is getting smaller every day.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t talk any more now. Got a call with a <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Vignette</span> OpenText client.</p>
<p>[<strong>UPDATE</strong>: It seems not everyone was as surprised as me! Laurence "@piewords" Hart gazed into his Crystal Ball and<a href="http://wordofpie.com/2009/01/22/vignette-is-losing-at-musical-chairs/"> called it</a> in January. And the <a href="http://bigmenoncontent.com/2008/08/26/a-reddot-on-vignette/">Big Men On Content</a> picked it up last August. <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10024888-16.html">Matt Asay</a> even had the numbers right back then. They've got their ears to the ground.]</p>
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		<title>Portals That Walk And Talk Like Ducks</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone knows I've got a thing against all Portal software when it is used for what I consider the wrong kind of site. This is just another example, but caught me after a bad day at the office.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>Mr. Frog went a-hoppin&#8217; up over the brook, Uh-huh,<br />
Mr. Frog went a-hoppin&#8217; up over the brook, Uh-huh,<br />
Mr. Frog went a-hoppin&#8217; up over the brook.<br />
A lily-white duck come and swallowed him up, Uh-huh.<br />
- FROGGIE WENT A COURTIN&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>Had a look at the <a href="https://www.peoples.com/">People&#8217;s United Bank</a> site that has just been launched and <a href="http://twitter.com/vignettecorp/status/1544781363">recently tweeted</a>. Firstly, well done to everyone involved for getting it live. Always nice to see a new big CMS driven site.  It looks good too &#8211; nice and clean. Hats off to the designers.</p>
<p>But I do have to ask my friends at Vignette &#8211; was it really necessary to use your portal products (Vignette Application Portal and Dynamic Portal Module) for this? I have only looked at the site for 15 minutes, so have probably missed something huge. But I&#8217;m going to assume I haven&#8217;t and soldier on.<br />
<a href="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/darkportal.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-553" title="Dark Portal" src="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/darkportal.jpg" alt="Dark Portal" width="377" height="282" /></a></p>
<p>I realise it is a bank, so there are probably a lot more Portal suitable features behind the different logins. But all of those seem to go off-site <em>away</em> from the Portal implementation at the moment. It&#8217;s often the other way round. The post-login functionality is driven by a portal, not the pre-login informational/marketing section.  The site seems to be primarily static content. Maybe the content differs depending on your ZIP code &#8211; not easy to tell.</p>
<p>Portals are meant to aggregate applications, not provide a set of off-site links to them. The <a href="https://pcb.peoples.com/peoples/login.aspx">login </a>goes to a server running ASP.NET. The <a href="https://www.peoples.com/portal/site/peoples/menuitem.cc7154531459a138fc713169085001ca/?vgnextoid=fcacfcca357aa110VgnVCM100000800510acRCRD&amp;vgnextfmt=default">career application</a> is an offsite IFRAME. The <a href="http://web.sa.mapquest.com/peoplesbank/advantage.adp">branch finder</a> goes to MapQuest. The search goes to <a href="http://peoples.mondosearch.com/SearchTemplates/peoples/ResultsPeoples.aspx?QUERY=portal">Mondo</a> with a secure/unsecure warning. Even the search results are displayed on Mondo, but maybe this is for the term highlighting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed on the Vignette site that the Portal product is now classified under <a href="http://www.vignette.com/us/Solutions/Intranet">Intranet </a>, not under <a href="http://www.vignette.com/us/Solutions/Web-Content-Management">Web Content Management</a>. That&#8217;s a step in the right direction. It can make a mighty fine Intranet. But it still seems to get recommended as the delivery mechanism for every site you launch.</p>
<p>Maybe there are no downsides to using the Portal for this site. But if it is so easy to fix the <a href="https://www.peoples.com/portal/site/peoples/menuitem.95de64297d03c70b397ebcc8085001ca/?vgnextoid=1ff3fcca357aa110VgnVCM100000800510acRCRD&amp;vgnextfmt=default">friendly URLs</a> , the <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.peoples.com/">validating markup</a>, and the <a href="http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/">TABLE based layouts</a> , I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing them in the next release of this site. Google really digs that stuff, and banks really dig organic traffic. At the very least, please put the &lt;link&gt; to vgn-ext-templating.css somewhere <em>after </em>the opening&lt;html&gt; tag.</p>
<p>The implementation was probably a fair bit of effort too, I&#8217;m guessing. Did you choose an external spider for the site search because it felt right, or because it is actually quite difficult to implement an internal search on a Portal? Any issues with sessions and bookmarking? Do the editorial team need to use both the VCM and VAP to create new pages, or do they have a nice, single tool that they use to create pages and content? And it is all easy and cheap to maintain?</p>
<p>I guess someone might have played the &#8220;we&#8217;re not using the Portal functionality for Phase 1, but we need a future-proof platform to carry us forward&#8221; card. Or did someone say <em>synergies</em> a lot? Oh for a penny for every non-implemented planned Phase 2 feature I&#8217;ve seen. We all love agile development these days; whatever happened to agile product choices? If the post-login part of this site is live on VAP in the next 12 months, however, I&#8217;ll eat my hat, apologise, and buy everyone lots and lots of beer.</p>
<p>I really like the VCM. And I really like VAP. But this site isn&#8217;t a Portal. Dear Vignette, please don&#8217;t make us use VAP for everything. You do have other delivery mechanisms. Dear other major vendors, stop smirking. Many of you do the same.</p>
<p>Not every site is a Portal. Sometimes a Portal is really a Gate To Hell. Here there be Demons.</p>
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		<title>When CMS Memes Attack!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to the CMS Vendor Meme, Vignette posted a second meme which appears to have backfired. Luis Sala has posted a rather biting response to this, and I'd like to comment on some of his observations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>&#8220;Oh no,&#8221; says the Sergeant. &#8220;I&#8217;ll have no such chat,<br />
And neither will I take it from snappy young brats,<br />
For if you insult me with one other word,<br />
I&#8217;ll cut off your heads in the morning.&#8221;<br />
- ARTHUR MCBRIDE</p></blockquote>
<p>In the beginning there was the <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/25/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-3/">CMS Vendor Meme</a>, which turned into a light hearted and entertaining exercise in which over 20 CMS vendors participated. As a response to this, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=66185026034&amp;id=51429368686&amp;index=0">Vignette posted a second meme</a> which appears to have backfired. There aren&#8217;t going to be many (any?) responses, and <a href="http://sala.us/blog/?p=51">Luis Sala</a> has posted a rather biting response on his *personal* (not Alfresco&#8217;s) blog.</p>
<p>Before I comment on this, I&#8217;d like to say for the record that there is a lot about Vignette that I like. They were, without doubt, CMS pioneers. When Vignette V7 was released many moons ago, I genuinely believe it was the best Content Management System out there. Apart from a couple of major gripes, I still like the CMS and think certain aspects of it are uniquely attractive. VAP is one of the leading portals too. I hate the Dynamic Portal/Site integration but that&#8217;s just me. But I would still happily implement Vignette and do currently work with it.</p>
<p><a href="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/meme_2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-413" title="Bad Meme" src="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/meme_2-299x300.jpg" alt="Bad Meme" width="299" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>Before reading this, make sure you read Luis&#8217; post <a href="http://sala.us/blog/?p=51">Vignette tries to start a WCM Vendor Meme (yawn!)</a>. I wonder if Vignette are going to respond to this, or just leave it at that. Vignette have lost their way a bit and I agree with a lot of the comments that Luis made. They have also been in the press quite a lot recently for a number of reasons, and I&#8217;m not going to repeat things that have been already said elsewhere. Some of the points in Luis&#8217; post have been discussed in the CMSWire article <a href="http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-cms/five-reasons-to-choose-vignette-or-not-003259.php">Five Reasons to Choose Vignette (or Not&#8230;)</a> by John Conroy and Irina Guseva. I am, however, going to add my thoughts to a few of Luis&#8217; comments.</p>
<blockquote><p>I would argue that one of the main reasons that happened was because Vignette, Interwoven and Documentum are entrenched in 7-15 year technologies and mindsets that have resulted in stagnation while the smaller, more agile vendors that ranked a little higher on the list can more successfully innovate and adapt to changing market conditions.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think is completely true that the speed of development of the ECM vendors mentioned is much slower. Compare Vignette VCM 7.3.0.1 to 7.6 &#8211; not as much progress as one would hope in about 5 years. It isn&#8217;t only Vignette &#8211; we&#8217;re still waiting for TeamSite 7 for example having had a sneak peak 2 years ago at GearUp 2007. But I blame the technologies more than the mindsets. In the Vignette CMS case, I&#8217;m going to point the finger at an extremely complex J2EE implementation using some technologies that are pretty old by current standards. Aim some monitoring software like <a href="http://www.quest.com/spotlight/overview.aspx">SpotLight </a>at the VCM, change and publish a simple content type, and watch the party. Quite staggering just how much is going on behind the scenes. Not surprising that it is complex to extend and change. In addition, I think the larger players are hamstrung by backward compatibility promises as they tend to support much larger, business critical implementations. You&#8217;d think this means that their upgrade paths are easier and more reliable, but sadly recent history his taught us the opposite.</p>
<blockquote><p>That’s probably one of the main reasons Vignette’s earnings continue to drop and, more alarmingly, Vignette Professional Services account for roughly 50% of their revenue. Very scary…</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, Vignette&#8217;s PS account for a large part of their revenue. From the agency/systems integrator (that&#8217;s where I live) perspective, we are very cautious of this model. It doesn&#8217;t make our lives any easier when we need to compete against the vendor&#8217;s PS team if we recommend their CMS for an implementation. More and more small vendors are moving to the Partner Channel only model, which makes life much more pleasant for everyone. And I appreciate that the vendors need to ensure that partners have the skill to implement correctly and want to certify some parts of the solution, but I believe the Professional Services should be contracted to the partner, not directly to the client.</p>
<blockquote><p>All vendors must be very careful about claiming “massive scalability” as every implementation is unique and while the software may be capable of scaling in one use-case, it could die in sputtering, driveling fits in the other.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course. Bad implementation can kill any software. Let me tell you a story that depresses me a bit. 10 years ago, Vignette had what I consider an excellent caching model. They used &#8220;Components&#8221; which actually ended up as output cached HTML fragments. They used Server Side Includes (SSIs) to allow for an extremely flexible mix of cached and dynamic content on the same page. They didn&#8217;t have a very sophisticated dependency graph based de-cache back then, but no-one really did. They were very proud of it, claimed it had multiple patents, and I think it was the dog&#8217;s bollocks (that&#8217;s a good thing for the non-UK readers). The model vanished in later versions, and was replaced completely when Vignette Application Portal (VAP) become the recommended delivery mechanism.</p>
<p>A couple of years ago I was presenting at Vignette Village 2007 with a customer. One of the main themes of this Village was that Vignette had the fastest, most scalable delivery mechanism in the universe, ever. Another main theme was that the product roadmap was very driven by customer demand. &#8220;You asked, we listened&#8221; kind of thing. So I found it quite ironic that a major product launch at Village was a brand new component that sped up the delivery even more: <a href="http://www.vignette.com/portal/site/us/menuitem.62215d74e262b2ba32189210180141a0/?vgnextoid=f8fbbe67f5588110VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD&amp;vgnextchannel=2b48bc7ee19d7010VgnVCM1000008110140aRCRD&amp;vgnextfmt=default&amp;vgnext-selected-menuitem=4b09bdd80b8ff1e8fb3d8010180141a0&amp;gbl-vcmartguid=f8fbbe67f5588110VgnVCM1000005610140aRCRD">Vignette High Performance Delivery</a> (HPD). Now the fastest delivery mechanism in the world is even faster! And the architecture behind HPD is remarkably similar to the caching model they had in the late 90s!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going slightly off topic here, but I don&#8217;t like the way the blurb on the site for this product says &#8220;<em>HPD lets organizations deliver fresh, customized content online without either the high cost of hardware or the unacceptable cost of slow site performance</em>&#8220;. There are other options. For example, Vignette really did a great job on the Atlanta 2004 Olympics site. It looked excellent and performed well under massive load. But this was all <a href="http://www.akamai.com/">Akamai </a>fronted. I&#8217;m a big fan of CDNs and ESIs for massively scalably delivery.</p>
<blockquote><p>After <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">wasting</span> investing hundreds of millions buying OnDisplay, DataSage, Revenio, Epicentric, Intraspect, Tower Technology and most recently Vidavee, one could argue that Vignette could <strong>*possibly*</strong> address all those areas, but the dirty little secret is that even over a decade after some of those acquisitions occured, Vignette has positively and quite spectacularly <strong>failed</strong> in truly integrating all those services.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the key word here is &#8220;truly&#8221;. Some of the products are reasonably well integrated, but these are point integrations between product A and product B. I&#8217;d like to see a generic integration architecture instead. A single repository (or illusion thereof) for the different products would be the dream, but that seems unlikely. I think the word <em>wasting</em> is unfair, although some of the acquisitions have been worse than others. I&#8217;d also like to add that I believe Vignette are aware of these issues, do embrace and support enabling emerging standards (JSR-168/286, JSR-170/283, maybe the new favourite CMIS) which could help with their integrations, and still have some really smart people. But their current product stack makes this a really difficult problem which is going to take them a lot more time (which maybe they don&#8217;t have?) to solve.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Vignette Application Portal is pretty much the only *simple* way to render content. While the sales and sales engineers might say that customers can create websites using any web framework and programming language, a realization of the effort involved will serve as a near-instant death-knell to such foolhardy notions.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m going to disagree with this on two points. I like the VCM Content API and have successfully implemented systems that use a non-Vignette (this doesn&#8217;t mean bespoke!) delivery framework. Surely one of the main benefits of the &#8220;decoupled&#8221; ECM approach is that one does have the option to use the ECM suite simply to manage content to be consumed by any delivery channel. My second disagreement is that VAP is a simple way to render content. For a <em><strong>public facing site that does not need a portal</strong></em>, I believe that using VAP (or any portal) is overkill and fraught with peril.</p>
<blockquote><p>Customers foolish enough to buy from Vignette are faced with an <a href="http://var.immixgroup.com/contracts/gsa70_pricing.cfm?client_id=17&amp;contract=GS-35F-0330J">8 page-long pricesheet</a> (please take a look!)</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, the PDF version is more like 30 pages. In response to the &#8220;Simple Price List&#8221; question in the initial meme, part of the response was &#8220;Look out for a pricing innovation coming soon to a price sheet near you … it will probably be simple enough for a five year old&#8221;. Vignette are aware of the over-complication and hopefully will address it. If they don&#8217;t, they&#8217;re in trouble.</p>
<blockquote><p>Vignette’s product suite is so expansive and disjointed that the typical Vignette sales engineer cannot even fathom how to install them all. So Vignette has a “Sales Enablement Team” whose primary job function is to figure out how to install all these moving parts and set up a hosted VMWare environment so that they can demo it. I pity my brethren there who still have to run more than one Vignette app on their laptops.</p></blockquote>
<p>*cough*</p>
<p>Anyway, enough of this now. Let me close my coffin on this near extinct meme with a final thought. I still believe Vignette has some really good software and some really good people. They&#8217;ve also got some really big architectural and software problems. I, for one, hope they can sort them out before it is too late. If they don&#8217;t, they wouldn&#8217;t be the first <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett">US Pioneer to die in Texas</a>. And it is only 81 miles / 1 hour 22 mins drive <a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&amp;source=s_d&amp;saddr=1301+South+MoPac+Expressway,Austin,+TX+78746&amp;daddr=300+Alamo+Plz,+San+Antonio,+TX+78205,+United+States&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=%3BFT4AwQEdvjch-g&amp;gl=uk&amp;mra=ls&amp;sll=29.425726,-98.486338&amp;sspn=0.015905,0.025556&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=29.84879,-98.111145&amp;spn=2.027199,3.271179&amp;z=9">from Vignette Corporate Headquaters to the Alamo</a>.</p>
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