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		<title>Drifting Yellow Dots &#8211; Gartner CMS MQ 2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lordy, has it been a year already? Sure has. The 2010 Gartner Magic Quadrant for WCM is out. You can get the report here courtesy of our friends at SiteCore. As usual it is worth a read, but here are the juicy bits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>I began to think what a deed I&#8217;d done.<br />
I grabbed my hat and I began to run.<br />
I made a god run but I ran too slow;<br />
They overtook me down in Jericho<br />
- IN SEARCH OF LITTLE SADIE</p></blockquote>
<p>Lordy, has it been a year already? Sure has. The 2010 Gartner Magic Quadrant for WCM is out. You can <a href="http://www.sitecore.net/Products/Resources/whitepapers/Gartner-Magic-Quadrant.aspx">get the report here</a> courtesy of our friends at SiteCore. As usual it is worth a read, but here is the juicy bit:</p>
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<p>I&#8217;ve marked the guys that have improved a reasonable amount with a green line, indicating  where they&#8217;ve moved to since 2009. No-one has really slipped, although a few have vanished. EMC have given up on WCM and are partnering with Fatwire instead. <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/05/06/omg-open-text-buy-grandpa-vignette/">Vignette</a> and Nstein are also now part of the Open Text dot. Expect to see <a href="http://jonontech.com/2010/07/28/a-fine-day-for-adobe/">Day replaced by Adobe</a> on here in 2011.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve stuck with the same Big Three (Oracle, Automony/Interwoven and Open Text) in the lead as last time. Two other Big Guys &#8211; Microsoft and IBM &#8211; are inching closer to the Leader Quadrant. It does seem that to be near the top of the &#8220;ability to execute&#8221; axis, you need to be a massive company and have technology that is at least ten years old. I <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/08/10/what-has-the-ministry-of-magic-quadrants-got-against-me/">ranted about this last year</a>, and the same thoughts apply. I should point out that this dimension is defined as &#8220;<em>how well a vendor sells and supports its WCM products and services</em>&#8220;, not on the success of implementations or happiness of customers. If you want to get the products with the most marketing dollars behind them, this is the axis for you.</p>
<p>The Open Text logic still confounds me. Here is how I see it. In 2009, Open Text was one of the three leaders, based on what I can only assume was The Product Formerly Known As RedDot. Vignette and Nstein were lingering in the shitty quadrant (VIGN on the border, admittedly). So my only conclusion is that RedDot was the favoured product in the eyes of Gartner. However, my spider senses (and OTEX staff layoffs) tell me RedDot is on its way out and the Vignette WCM product is the Chosen One. So I&#8217;d have expected the Gartner folk to move OTEX further into the danger zone, but the uncertainly and product direction have actually given them a boost.</p>
<p>The tussle between the younger upstarts is as close as ever. The Java vendors (FatWire and Day) have gained slightly on the .NET ones (SiteCore, Ektron). The Java/.NET hybrid, SDL, keeps its nose in front. I think we&#8217;ll see bigger gaps in 2011.</p>
<p>Last year, I noted that poor EPiServer had got a bit of a raw deal. That&#8217;s been fixed. I&#8217;ve always felt they should be sitting right next to SiteCore on this thing. And CoreMedia also got a big bonus. Alterian got a little boost, but they&#8217;re still in the quadrant of despair.</p>
<p>There are two new vendors on there, Atex and Dynamicweb. I&#8217;ve heard of the latter but never seen them. And only heard of Atex when they aquired Polopoly as few years ago. Never seen their product either, so not comments here.</p>
<p>Still no Open Source vendors on here, for the same revenue related reasons as last time. I&#8217;m not going over all that again.</p>
<p>Most of these little yellow dots haven&#8217;t drifted very far in a year &#8211; the report is pretty similar despite the M&amp;A activity that has kept us bloggers busy. So pretty much a repeat of last year. And, like last year, here is hoping Gartner&#8217;s lawyers don&#8217;t serve me any takedown notices.</p>
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		<title>Celebrity CMS Deathmatch &#8211; The Aftermath</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The CMS Vendor Meme has now had 24 responses, including some of the large ECM players. The results are tabulated here with commentary, and make very interesting reading.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>There&#8217;s a lone soldier on the cross, smoke pourin&#8217; out of a boxcar door,<br />
You didn&#8217;t know it, you didn&#8217;t think it could be done, in the final end he won the wars<br />
After losin&#8217; every battle.<br />
- IDIOT WIND</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Part 1: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/17/celebrity-cms-deathmatch/">The Beginning</a><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color:#810081;"><br />
</span></span>Part 2: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/21/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-2/">The Meme Spreads</a><br />
Part 3: The Aftermath</strong></p>
<p>Right, it is time to draw this chapter to a close. <span style="color: #993366;"><strong>If you don&#8217;t know what this is all about, please read Part 1 and Part 2 mentioned above first</strong></span>. There has been a great response, and there is talk that an ECM focused meme will start soon too. This has been reported by <a href="http://www.julianwraith.com/?p=122">Julian Wraith</a>, who also did an excellent job keep track of all the responses. Thanks! Google <span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://grep.codeconsult.ch/2009/03/18/the-cms-vendor-meme/">Bertrand Delacrétaz&#8217;s Meme ID</a></span> to find everything there is to find: <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=9c56d0fcf93175d70e1c9b9d188167cf">9c56d0fcf93175d70e1c9b9d188167cf</a>.</p>
<p>For the record, the <strong>24</strong> vendors that responded (with links to their responses) are: <a href="http://www.jahia.com/jahia/Jahia/Home/about_us/jahias_news/CHECKLIST">Jahia</a>, <a href="http://dev.ektron.com/blogs.aspx?id=24772">Ektron</a>, <a href="http://blogs.hippo.nl/tjeerd/">Hippo CMS</a> , <a href="http://betterfasterbigger.blogspot.com/2009/03/cms-vendor-meme.html">Magnolia</a>, <a href="http://www.episerver.com/en/News/News/CMS-Meme/">EPiServer</a>, <a href="http://blogs.nuxeo.com/ebarroca/2009/03/cms-vendor-meme-nuxeos-turn.html">Nuxeo</a>, <a href="http://www.gxdeveloperweb.com/Blogs/Martin-van-Mierloo/The-CMS-Vendor-Meme.htm">GX</a>, <a href="http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/midgard_and_the_cms_reality_checklist/">Midgard</a>, <a href="http://www.knowledgetree.com/blog/knowledgetree-cms-vendor-meme">Knowledge Tree</a>, <a href="http://www.infopark.com/cms-vendor-meme">infopark</a>, <a href="http://dev.day.com/microsling/content/blogs/main/cmsvendormeme.html">Day</a>, <a href="http://blogs.alfresco.com/wp/luissala/2009/03/17/the-cms-vendor-meme/">Alfresco</a>, <a href="https://blog.coremedia.com/cm/post/2639496/Reality_checklist_for_CMS_Vendors.html">CoreMedia</a>, <a href="http://dguarnaccia.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/cms-vendor-meme-the-sitecore-response/">Sitecore</a>, <a href="http://www.opentext.com/blogs/ecm_briefs/2009/03/open_text_on_the_cms_vendor_me.html">OpenText</a>, <a href="http://www.persuasivecontent.com/alterian-cms-meme-response">Alterian</a>, <a href="http://www.dotcms.org/blog/detail.dot?id=164626&amp;blogId=142480">dotCMS</a>, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=62817941034&amp;ref=mf">Vignette</a>, <a href="http://interwovenblog.com/2009/03/22/the-cms-vendor-meme/">Autonomy/Interwoven</a> and <a href="http://www.escenic.com/news_events/news/article5741.ece">Escenic</a>. Not yet in the table: <a href="http://ez.no/company/news/reality_check_checklist_for_web_cms_vendors">eZ Systems</a>, <a href="http://www.firstspirit.de/internet/en/landingpages/cmsdeathmatchmeme/cmsvendormeme.html">e-Spirit</a>, <a href="http://pharaohtechblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/cms-vendor-meme-enano-cms.html">Enano</a>, <a href="http://blog.sensenet.hu/post/2009/04/09/CMS-Vendor-Meme-The-SenseNet-60-response.aspx">Sense/Net</a>.</p>
<p>Below is my summary of the results. Click the image for a larger version. Please note that everything here is extremely subjective. You&#8217;d be insane to use this as part of any vendor selection exercise!</p>
<div id="attachment_293" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 520px"><a href="http://jonontech.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/vendorsummary_v2.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-293" title="Summary of the Scores" src="http://jonontech.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/vendorsummary_v2.jpg" alt="Summary of the Scores" width="510" height="262" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Summary of the Scores</p></div>
<p>Notes on the scoring:</p>
<ul>
<li>Vendors shown with a blue background did not score themselves. So I scored them based on what I think their answers meant.</li>
<li>GX gave themselves a 0 and a 1, where they meant a 1 and a 2. So their score rises from 40 to 42.</li>
</ul>
<h3>The Overwhelming Yes Questions</h3>
<p>These questions had an average score of <strong>2.8</strong> and above:</p>
<ul>
<li>Amazingly, everyone thought their <strong>Software Does What It Says </strong>it did. That&#8217;s great news for the CMS buyer. Everyone is honest <img src='http://jonontech.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Most don&#8217;t even try to justify this, although Ektron justify their reply with the fact that they have &#8220;more WCMS implementations than any other vendor in the marketplace&#8221;. I&#8217;d be interested to see the list/research on which this is based.</li>
<li>They all claim to have a <strong>Free SDK</strong>. I wonder if Kas Thomas had a vendor in mind when he put that question onto the list?</li>
<li>The <strong>No Reboot </strong>topic caused a bit of controversy, with three vendors claiming it isn&#8217;t important. I disagree with this. A reboot doesn&#8217;t cause any downtime in a load balanced environment, but I feel it is architecturally wrong for the CMS to go so close to the Operating System to warrant one.</li>
<li>Alfresco were the only ones to admit that they need their technical presales engineers to help the <strong>Sales Guys</strong>. Maybe the other vendors included these techies as part of the sales team so gave themselves full marks.</li>
<li>Again, Alfresco were the only ones that confessed their <strong>Sample Site</strong> wasn&#8217;t great. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of these sample sites, and some of them are really quite dire. I think a few more vendors should have given themselves a &#8220;Sort Of&#8221; here. But I guess the question did not ask for a <em>Good</em> sample site, so they are technically honest. They all have <strong>a Tutorial</strong>, most of which are good.</li>
<li>Three vendors admitted that they didn&#8217;t have a <strong>Full Installer</strong>. dotCMS lost some points here, but at least it is on their roadmap. I do think that the Hippo were a bit hard on themselves. I prefer a standard EAR/WAR deployment to an install Wizard, especially in a large, clustered environment. A <strong>One Click Update</strong> question would have brought some interesting answers as upgrades are often much hard than installs.</li>
</ul>
<h3>The Differentiator Questions</h3>
<p>These questions had an average score below <strong>2.8</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>About half the vendors struggled on the <strong>No English </strong>challenge. The smaller US based vendors normally do worse here as many of their clients are single language. The European based vendors live and breath multi-language every day.</li>
<li>Interwoven is the only vendor that does not offer a <strong>Download</strong>. Six others offer one with conditions attached.</li>
<li>Most vendors eat their own <strong>Dogfood</strong>, apart from SiteCore, who drink their own pre-release champagne. Quite a few aren&#8217;t on the latest version though. Escenic gave themselves a 1 for this, while many other vendors gave themselves a 2. And I&#8217;m taking bets on when Vignette&#8217;s site is going to be running V7.6. KnowledgeTree gave themselves a very kind 3 seeing as they don&#8217;t do WCM. But their score does prove that most of the questions are noting to do with WCM and could apply to almost any software vendor.</li>
<li>Escenic were the only ones that admitted their <strong>Price List </strong>is able to &#8220;adapt to a large variety of customers&#8221;. I believe that all the major vendors do this, and that the price can vary enormously. Maybe the answers refer to list price<strong> </strong>as opposed to the actual golf-course price, but I think Escenic showed honesty here that some of the others could have done. Vignette did also admit their model is complex. Half claim a 5-year old could understand it. But I hope this five year old can also drink a lot in the pub and negotiate a good discount or he is going to get screwed.</li>
<li>Surprisingly, the question with the lowest average score was the <strong>Raise Issues From Product </strong>one. All vendors have an issue logging system, so this would be extremely simple to implement. It could just be a link from the admin screens to the support screens.</li>
<li>The most controversial question was probably the <strong>All Help Files And Documentation are Part of the Install</strong>. Now I&#8217;m going to disagree with Kas on this and side with some of the vendors. I prefer online documentation to local installation for a number of reasons: It is kept up to date and continuously enhanced, it can include user submitted contributions, it can be powered by an advanced search engine, it can contain offsite links, and I don&#8217;t like having extra items installed on the servers. I do like to have a local of the SDK, but this should be embedded in the IDE and be an optional extra download as part of the SDK. And if people do still work when they are offline, the ability to download all the documentation would be a bonus.</li>
</ul>
<h3>The Jon Vendor Meme Awards 2009</h3>
<p>Any great competition needs an awards ceremony. So, in the spirit in which this whole contest was conducted, I&#8217;m honoured to be able to announce:</p>
<ul>
<li>The <strong>Jon Award For Transparency</strong> goes to <strong>Escenic</strong>. Sure they came stone last, but I trust the guys.</li>
<li>The <strong>Jon Award For Agility Above And Beyond Expectations</strong> goes to <strong>Vignette</strong>. I really didn&#8217;t expect them to respond, yet they were the first ECM player to do so.</li>
<li>The <strong>Jon Award For The Best Product Name</strong> goes to <strong>Hippo CMS</strong>. Of course.</li>
<li>The <strong>Jon Award For Anti-Cheating </strong>goes to <strong>Nuxeo</strong>, who miscounted their score on the low side. I&#8217;ve added a point to their reported score.</li>
</ul>
<p>And thanks once again to Kas Thomas for his &#8220;<a href="http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1518-A-reality-checklist-for-vendors">A reality checklist for vendors</a>&#8220;, and Day for starting this party, giving CMS geeks like me something to smile about. It&#8217;s been real.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: 28 March 2009 &#8211; Added KnowledgeTree and Ektron.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: 03 April 2009 &#8211; <a href="http://ez.no/company/news/reality_check_checklist_for_web_cms_vendors">eZ Systems</a> have responded. I&#8217;ll update the chart when I have more time.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: 08 April 2009 &#8211; <a href="http://www.firstspirit.de/internet/en/landingpages/cmsdeathmatchmeme/cmsvendormeme.html">e-Spirit</a> set themselves up for a fall by giving themselves a perfect score. Anyone know enough to see if they&#8217;re being cheeky? Not a vendor I know much about sadly. 45/45 seems a bold claim to make. They didn&#8217;t publish any contact details for question 15. I notice @espirit_news joined Twiter 15 minutes ago. Just in time. Well done, e-Spirit! Thanks for playing.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: 09 April 2009 &#8211; Adding Enano (seeing Julian included them in his list) and Sense/Net.</p>
<div><strong><strong>Part 1: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/17/celebrity-cms-deathmatch/">The Beginning</a><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color:#810081;"><br />
</span></span>Part 2: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/21/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-2/">The Meme Spreads</a><br />
Part 3: The Aftermath</strong></strong></div>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A post from Kas Thomas at CMS Watch has inspired Day to start an intriguing CMS fight. This is Part II of the story, which covers the entry of another 15 vendors. It's all happening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>I ain&#8217;t lookin&#8217; to compete with you,<br />
Beat or cheat or mistreat you,<br />
Simplify you, classify you,<br />
Deny, defy or crucify you.<br />
All I really want to do<br />
Is, baby, be friends with you.<br />
- ALL I REALLY WANT TO DO</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Part 1: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/17/celebrity-cms-deathmatch/">The Beginning</a><br />
Part 2: The Meme Spreads<br />
Part 3: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/25/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-3/">The Aftermath</a><br />
</strong></p>
<p>It was the morning after the night before, and the <a href="http://dev.day.com/microsling/content/blogs/main/cmsvendormeme.html">CMS Vendor Meme</a> started by Day Software began to spread. Two further vendors (Magnolia and Alfresco) were infected on the first day, but the days that followed saw the meme spreading like the Undead. So far, we have <strong>18</strong> Vendor Zombies. What follows is a day by day account of the unfolding events.</p>
<div><strong>19 March 2009</strong>: <a href="http://www.infopark.com/cms-vendor-meme">Infopark CMS </a>joins in with 41/45. <a href="http://www.gxdeveloperweb.com/Blogs/Martin-van-Mierloo/The-CMS-Vendor-Meme.htm">GX</a> enter too, also with 40/45. Nearly all the scores seem to sit about there. <a href="http://dotcms.org/vendor-challenge">dotCMS </a>and <a href="http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/midgard_and_the_cms_reality_checklist/">Midgard </a>have responded, but no score that I can see. Not that the score really matters. Still no-one with a perfect score. Tridion staying quiet. <a href="http://www.julianwraith.com/?p=60">Julian Wraith </a>is keeping a real-time scoreboard. <a href="http://irinaguseva.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/youve-been-tagged-in-cms-vendor-meme/">Irina Guseva </a>blogging about it too. Google this GUID to find everything there is to find: <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=9c56d0fcf93175d70e1c9b9d188167cf">9c56d0fcf93175d70e1c9b9d188167cf</a></div>
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<p style="text-align:left;">Big news. <a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=62817941034&amp;ref=mf">Vignette </a>have responded using a FaceBook note. I gotta be honest, I didn&#8217;t think they would. Hats off to them, I say. They started with an intro explaining how Kas&#8217; checklist didn&#8217;t really apply to them, only to &#8221; stand-alone, SMB-focused software targeted at companies&#8221; that are &#8220;managed by a very small IT team&#8221;. They also find &#8220;that the Enterprise customers we serve don’t typically let the needs of IT drive their Web experience decisions&#8221;. So what? Why does that mean that the checklist doesn&#8217;t apply? I would have left a comment, but sadly no comments allowed. [<strong>UPDATE</strong>: Mea Culpa. You have to be a Fan of Vignette to comment on their page. But you can.]</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">They didn&#8217;t give themselves a score, but gave a YES for most questions. The occassional NO was well justified. The one SORT OF that made me chuckle was the &#8220;running on latest version of the software&#8221;. They&#8217;re &#8220;not on the latest point release&#8221;. Well, have fun upgrading that. It&#8217;s only a point release after all. Shouldn&#8217;t take long at all. Just a click, I&#8217;d think &#8230;</p>
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<p style="text-align:left;"><strong>20 March 2009:</strong> <a href="http://blogs.nuxeo.com/ebarroca/2009/03/cms-vendor-meme-nuxeos-turn.html">Nuxeo </a>enter the fray with a 40/45. They haven&#8217;t tagged anyone since they think there isn&#8217;t &#8220;any serious player that hasn’t been tagged already&#8221; . And they seem to be my kind of company. They&#8217;ll trade SDK&#8217;s for beer. They&#8217;re threatening to spread the meme to DM and Collaboration too.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">Sweet! Another big player is up for a bit of fun. <a href="http://www.opentext.com/blogs/ecm_briefs/2009/03/open_text_on_the_cms_vendor_me.html">OpenText </a>have entered, but not given themselves a score. Like Vignette, they start with a well written but very corporate intro explaining how the rules of the game don&#8217;t really apply to them. Nevertheless, they kindly agree to play anyway as &#8220;our customers expect nothing less than a transparent, strategic vision from Open Text&#8221;. Impressive stuff. An extremely slippery dodge on Question 14 &#8211; one price sheet. They also manage to squeeze in a few sales pitches (question 9 and 10). The RedDot name didn&#8217;t appear once. The brand is truly gone it seems. All in all, nice one OpenText.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">Hot on their heels comes <a href="http://www.episerver.com/en/News/News/CMS-Meme/">EPiServer</a>, who score themselves highly with 42/45. Right up there at the top. Now, I am a skeptical little man and that sounds on the high side. But I know EPiServer extremely well (believe it or not, I&#8217;m a certified developer who isn&#8217;t allowed to code) and I don&#8217;t think I can&#8217;t fault their logic. They&#8217;re certainly very accurate about their answer to the language question. If anything, when you install it as English you might see the odd bit of Swedish. And maybe I&#8217;d lower the 2 to a 1 on the licensing model as the definition of a site, as they confess, is confusing as hell. But a big thanks to EPiServer for entering. They haven&#8217;t tagged anyone yet.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><a href="http://dguarnaccia.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/cms-vendor-meme-the-sitecore-response/">SiteCore </a>in next. They gave themselves a modest 40/45. A very nice response though. My favourite was the response to the Dog Food challenge &#8211; not only do they use pre-release versions on their site, but they call it Champagne instead of Dog Food. Also like their answer to the documentation question. I&#8217;m starting to think that the Documentation question doesn&#8217;t belong on the checklist. Online documentation is probably more useful than locally installed documentation. Thanks for playing, SiteCore. But I&#8217;m not going to link to your ugly red &#8220;star image&#8221; cause it is 500 KB big.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><em>Autonomy/Intervowen and SDL Tridion &#8211; come out, come out, wherever you are &#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><strong>21/22 March 2009:</strong> It&#8217;s pretty quiet over the weekend. Almost too quiet. Then, suddenly, another big player posts their response. Thanks to <a href="http://twitter.com/twentworth12">Tom Wentworth</a> from <a href="http://interwovenblog.com/2009/03/22/the-cms-vendor-meme/">Autonomy/Interwoven</a>. It&#8217;s absolutely brilliant to have all the major vendors getting involved in this. Really good for the CMS Community, I think. Like the other Enterprise Vendors, they haven&#8217;t given themselves a score. I think if they were to score themselves, it would be pretty low. However, all their responses are sensible and highlight the fact that the ECM players considers themselves very different to the smaller companies.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">So, it seems that only one large vendor that has been tagged who is staying out of this. I&#8217;m not going to name the chickens again, but I wil say that an anagram of their name is &#8220;sordid lint&#8221;. C&#8217;mon, people, air that dirty laundry.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><strong>23 March 2009:</strong> Things appear to be getting quieter now that most of the main players are in. Doesn&#8217;t look like the meme is going to infect non-CMS vendors. A new entry today comes from <a href="http://www.persuasivecontent.com/alterian-cms-meme-response">Alterian </a>(who own both MediaSurface and Immediacy). I liked the tone of their response. Very collaborative, very honest, and even congratulating some of the vendors on their response to other questions. They, like others on Twitter, question the validity of the reboot on install challenge, about which I&#8217;ll say more when everyone is in.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">They don&#8217;t give themselves a score, but we&#8217;ll forgive them as they would probably have to score their two products independently. This would confuse the league tables horribly. I think the tone of their response proves how wrong I was about how this was going to play out. It isn&#8217;t a Deathmatch at all. But &#8220;CMS Celebrity Deathmatch&#8221; is a more catchy title than &#8220;CMS Collaborative Love In&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><em>&#8220;<a href="http://www.peculiar-poetry.com/">Some think the noble hippopotamus a somewhat pointless rhinoceros</a>&#8220;</em>. Not these guys, though. <a href="http://blogs.hippo.nl/tjeerd/">Hippo CMS</a> come next, tagging Open Source Vendors OpenCMS, eZ Publish, Joomla!, TYPO3, Plone and Drupal. If this meme spreads into the Open Source land, all hell could break loose. Maybe someone will tag WordPress? Anyway, Hippo join Jahia at the top with a whopping 43/45. And where they deducted points from themselves, you can tell they feel they have the moral highground. Who needs an installer when you can deploy WARS and EARS? And surely editors speak more than one language? Did you know that hippos kill more people in Africa than any other large animal?</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">Another great side effect of this meme is that we are finding CMS Gurus on Twitter to follow. They&#8217;re all crawling out of the woodwork. <a href="http://twitter.com/billtrippe">Bill Trippe</a> is compiling a list. He said he&#8217;d post a link here in a comment when it is ready. [<strong>UPDATE</strong>: Bill has posted the link below, but I got this wrong. It is a list of the actual vendor accounts, not individuals].</p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><strong>Part 1: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/17/celebrity-cms-deathmatch/">The Beginning</a><br />
Part 2: The Meme Spreads<br />
Part 3: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/25/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-3/">The Aftermath</a></strong></p>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A post from Kas Thomas at CMS Watch has inspired Day to start an intriguing CMS fight. I think everyone is going to wade in. This is Part I of the story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>&#8220;There must be some way out of here,&#8221; said the joker to the thief,<br />
&#8220;There&#8217;s too much confusion, I can&#8217;t get no relief.<br />
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,<br />
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth.&#8221;<br />
- ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER</p></blockquote>
<div><span style="color:#339966;"><span style="color:#000000;"><strong><strong>Part 1: The Beginning<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color:#810081;"><br />
</span></span>Part 2: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/21/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-2/">The Meme Spreads</a><br />
Part 3: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/25/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-3/">The Aftermath</a></strong></strong></span></span></div>
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<div>Now it is really getting interesting. When I first read the &#8220;<a href="http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1518-A-reality-checklist-for-vendors">A reality checklist for vendors</a>&#8221; article by Kas Thomas, I didn&#8217;t pay too much attention. Seemed like a nice article about common sense. The article outlines 15 items in a checklist which Kas believes all CMS Vendors should comply with. But it seems to have sparked off something which has a whole load of potential.</div>
<p>CMS Vendor Day has responded to this in the &#8220;<a href="http://dev.day.com/microsling/content/blogs/main/cmsvendormeme.html">CMS Vendor Meme</a>&#8220;, and challenging other vendors to do the same. They &#8220;called out&#8221; the vendors they consider to be their main competitors &#8211; <a href="http://www.opentext.com/blogs/ecm_briefs/index.html">OpenText</a>, <a href="http://blog.coremedia.com/">Coremedia</a>, <a href="http://interwovenblog.com/">Interwoven</a>, <a href="http://www.vignette.com/">Vignette</a>, <a href="http://www.fatwire.com/cs/Satellite/Page/Main/Ideas">Fatwire</a>, <a href="http://blogs.nuxeo.com/">Nuxeo</a>, <a href="http://www.magnolia-cms.com/home/news.html">Magnolia</a> and <a href="http://www.tridion.com/">Tridion</a>. I won&#8217;t repeat the rules of the challenge, which are outlined on all of the vendor sites linked to below. But the general idea is that the vendor rates their own product against the 15 categories, giving themselves a total score out of 45.</p>
<p>This feels like it is done in a very different spirit to the recent <a href="http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/sxsw-web-content-management-system-showdown-update-2-004124.php">CMS Showdown at South by Southwest</a>. The SXSW event involved three Open Source Vendors (Drupal, Joomla!, WordPress) competing in a good humoured manner, with the general feeling being that all three entries, and Open Source CMS in general, were the winners. The Day Challenge feels more like a declaration of war.</p>
<p>I think I really like this. According to the Daily Show tonight (the UK is a day behind the US), &#8220;angry popularism is all the rage&#8221;. I think that the community should put pressure onto the other vendors to respond to the checklist, and let the <a href="http://ebooks.ebookmall.com/ebook/234923-ebook.htm">Herd </a>decide how honest the answers are. Any vendor that elects not to rise to the challenge should be given a mental black mark. The response from Day is shown below. Very cheeky giving themselves a 3 star rating for Reality and justifying it with a smiley face only.</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 426px"><img title="Day's Self Evaluation" src="http://dev.day.com/microsling/content/blogs/main/cmsvendormeme/docroot/score.png" alt="" width="416" height="254" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Day&#39;s Self Evaluation</p></div>
<p>I&#8217;m not for a second saying that I agree with Day&#8217;s self evaluation, but that isn&#8217;t the point. It&#8217;s quite brave of them to put their thoughts out there. It didn&#8217;t take Open Source Vendor <a href="http://betterfasterbigger.blogspot.com/2009/03/cms-vendor-meme.html">Magnolia </a>long to trump the 40/45 from Day with 42/45.</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 345px"><img title="Magnolia Responds" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_W30bQac4R1s/Sb_ZSqVBIpI/AAAAAAAADmo/RsfUOBVG_M8/s400/vendor+challenge+score.jpg" alt="Magnolia Responds" width="335" height="308" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Magnolia Responds</p></div>
<p>Magnolia also tagged <a href="http://blogs.alfresco.com/wp/luissala/2009/03/17/the-cms-vendor-meme/">Alfresco</a> (and many other open source vendors), who responded extremely quickly. They decided (wisely) that the Magnolia score was verging on the incredible, so toned it down a notch giving themselves an average 41/45. I like their honesty on the Help &amp; Docs front. [ <strong>UPDATE</strong>: They have just lowered their score to 40. ]</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 349px"><img title="Alfresco's Response" src="http://s3.alfrescodemo.com/luis-blog/CMSVendorMeme.png" alt="" width="339" height="306" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Alfresco&#39;s Response</p></div>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that this thread has a lot of life in it left, and hopefully more vendors will join in and someone will tabulate the results. And the crowds will tear into any responses they feel are not as true as they could be. Maybe the vendors could go a step further and put some votes or surveys on their sites to see if the users believe their answers. I am really hoping on of the big 3 (OpenText, Interwoven or Vignette) respond to this. I think this kind of honesty (if it is honesty) is more difficult for them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to leave it at that for now. But I am wishing that I hadn&#8217;t stuck with my Bob Dylan song lyrics theme for post entries, and could use something like Guns and Roses&#8217; <a href="http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/guns_n_roses/get_in_the_ring-lyrics-28083.html">Get In The Ring</a>.</p>
<p>Tagging with Meme ID: <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=9c56d0fcf93175d70e1c9b9d188167cf">9c56d0fcf93175d70e1c9b9d188167cf</a></p>
<div><span style="color:#339966;"><span style="color:#000000;"><strong><strong>Part 1: The Beginning<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color:#810081;"><br />
</span></span>Part 2: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/21/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-2/">The Meme Spreads</a><br />
Part 3: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/03/25/celebrity-cms-deathmatch-part-3/">The Aftermath</a></strong></strong></span></span></div>
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