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		<title>Brave Vendors, Cruel Judges and Me</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I promised I'd scribble something about the Web Idol Competition at JBoye 09. The competition involved 6 vendors each presenting a fast paced 7 minute demo to the crowds, mimicking something like Pop Idol. The judging is done by an "expert" panel of 3 judges who offer inane commentary. The audience vote holds all the power over the final outcome. I was lucky enough to be asked to be one of the three judges on the panel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>These be seven curses on a judge so cruel:<br />
That one doctor will not save him,<br />
That two healers will not heal him,<br />
That three eyes will not see him.<br />
That four ears will not hear him,<br />
That five walls will not hide him,<br />
That six diggers will not bury him<br />
And that seven deaths shall never kill him.<br />
- SEVEN CURSES</p></blockquote>
<p>Better late than never. I promised I&#8217;d scribble something about the <a href="http://jboye.com/conferences/aarhus09/web_idol">Web Idol Competition at JBoye 09</a>. The competition involved 6 vendors each presenting a fast paced 7 minute demo to the crowds, mimicking something like Pop Idol. The judging is done by an &#8220;expert&#8221; panel of 3 judges who offer inane commentary. The audience vote holds all the power over the final outcome.</p>
<p>I was lucky enough to be asked to be one of the three judges on the panel. Teaching me the ropes were <a href="http://www.jboye.com/conferences/aarhus09/speakers/erik_hartman">Erik Hartman</a>, a grandfather of Content Management, and <a href="http://www.jboye.com/conferences/aarhus09/speakers/sara_redin">Sara Redin</a> of JBoye. The night before, I was out drinking with a Dutch guy called Erik and was enormously impressed by how much he knew about all the CMS products out there. Idiot that I am, I didn&#8217;t put two and two together and only realised that he was <em>the</em> Erik when I sat next to him on the panel. I&#8217;ve been a fan of his for ten years.</p>
<p>Anyway, the participating vendors (in the order they presented, from our right to left in the picture) were <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/">Microsoft</a>, <a href="http://www.e-spirit.com/">e-Spirit</a>, <a href="http://kapowtech.com/">Kapow</a>, <a href="http://www.terminalfour.com/">TERMINALFOUR</a>, <a href="http://www.23video.com/">23 Video</a> and <a href="http://www.sitecore.dk/">Sitecore</a>. So 4 content management vendors, a content migration vendor and a video startup.</p>
<p><a href="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/WedIdol1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1289" title="WedIdol1" src="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/WedIdol1-300x199.jpg" alt="WedIdol1" width="300" height="199" /></a></p>
<p>First up was <strong>Microsoft</strong>, presenting a Web <a href="http://sharepoint2010.microsoft.com/product/capabilities/content/pages/top-features.aspx">Content Management</a> interface in <a href="http://sharepoint2010.microsoft.com/Pages/default.aspx">SharePoint 2010</a>. I think it is a massive improvement over the monster that is MOSS 2007, but my fellow judges didn&#8217;t think much of it. The much hated Ribbon interface (as featured in the new versions of MS Office) received scorn. The demo didn&#8217;t show anything profound. While it is true that we didn&#8217;t see anything that other systems haven&#8217;t been doing for years, at least it brings SharePoint into the ballpark. I&#8217;ve been violently opposed to the idea of using MOSS for public facing sites, but the new version might warrant a rethink.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re on this, those of you that saw <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/steve/2009/10-19SharePointConf09.mspx">Steve Ballmer&#8217;s discussion with Tom Rizzo</a> in October 2009 must have had their ear&#8217;s prick when they heard this:</p>
<blockquote><p>We have a lot of customers using SharePoint in Internet sites, and with the capabilities of 2010, we expect to see that explode. But it wasn&#8217;t the initial design point for SharePoint.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wait, Steve, did I hear you right? After The Righteous have been fighting (and losing) the SharePoint For Public Facing Sites for many a long year, you suddenly say that Internet Sites were not a design goal of the initial SharePoint. No shit. But why couldn&#8217;t you have saved everyone a whole lot of pain and said this when MOSS was released. And if, in 5 years time, you end up saying the same thing about SharePoint 2010, I think I&#8217;ll kick you in the starboard testicle.</p>
<p>Next up was<strong> e-Spirit</strong>, showing off the <a href="http://www.e-spirit.com/en/product/advantage/advantages.html">FirstSpirit </a>CMS. e-Spirit aren&#8217;t a vendor I know much about. They&#8217;re really big in Germany, and are trying to get into other markets. I actually quite like the interface we were shown, although it does look rather complicated. It&#8217;s always hard to judge as we were show the interface as seen by an administrator. Maybe it&#8217;s simpler if you&#8217;re logged in as a lesser mortal. The drag-and-drop of multiple objects looked rather nice. That said, the demo didn&#8217;t go well at all. The connection to the interwebs was very slow which screwed the demo badly (my comment about everything being run on local machines was wrong). And the choice of things to show wasn&#8217;t great either.</p>
<p>Third on was <strong>Kapow</strong>, doing a content migration demo. I thought the demo was decent, taking content from the conference site and sticking it into SiteCore. However, I suspect that most of the audience probably weren&#8217;t sure what they were seeing. For me, the demo was a lot more interesting than the rather dry Kapow presentation the night before. They showed the web interface for scripted remote control of a browser for migrating content. If I understood it correctly, it&#8217;s a bit like the <a href="http://seleniumhq.org/">Selenium IDE</a>. Seeing as I&#8217;m more a fan of coding/scripting than pointing/clicking, it didn&#8217;t do much for me. I&#8217;m sure there is a scripting interface too, but we never saw it. I know the <a href="http://www.vamosa.com/lbi-a339">Vamosa </a>product suite far better than I know Kapow, and the demo I saw didn&#8217;t allow me to compare the two.</p>
<p><strong>TERMINALFOUR </strong>was fourth. <a href="http://twitter.com/pierotintori">Piero </a>showed a nice solid demo of the interface with a bit of WebDAV thrown in, but again nothing profound. Later that beer-fuelled evening, Janus introduced Piero to someone from the Danish digital agency <a href="http://www.727.dk/">727 </a>online, and we all spent the next half an hour talking shite about 727 landing on TERMINALFOUR. You probably had to be there.</p>
<p>Fifth was <strong>23 Video</strong>, a startup that also produced the video for the conference. While the previous four demos were feature showcases, this demo was scenario based, which the judges preferred. But as the judges are all CMS geeks not Video Sharing Sites geeks, there weren&#8217;t too many questions. For example, my company uses the <a href="http://code.google.com/apis/youtube/overview.html">YouTube API</a> and <a href="http://www.viddler.com/">Viddler</a> at the moment. The demo didn&#8217;t convince me to consider changing. I&#8217;d also have loved to see a video upload, but I guess the restrictive conference bandwidth probably meant they were clever to avoid this.</p>
<p>Last were defending champions <strong>SiteCore</strong>, presented by the defending champion <a href="http://twitter.com/larsbirkholm">Lars Birkholm Petersen</a>. This was probably the most feature poor seven minutes of all of them. The whole demo consisted of creating a form with a CAPTCHA, and trying to fill in the form. There was a peak at the newly released Online Marketing Suite. They cleverly did not ever actually show the SiteCore interface which some of you will know also contains an Office-style ribbon.</p>
<p>However, it was a brilliantly presented featureless demo. Lars had hats representing conference organiser <a href="http://twitter.com/janusboye">Janus</a>, and CMS Analyst <a href="http://twitter.com/adriaanbloem">Adriaan Bloem</a> (who wasn&#8217;t at the conference because he wasn&#8217;t capable of passing the CAPTCHA). He told a great story and got lots of laughs from everyone. You can watch the all the demos below.</p>
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<p>The results:</p>
<ul>
<li>3rd &#8211; TERMINALFOUR</li>
<li>2nd &#8211; 23 Video</li>
<li>1st &#8211; Sitecore, defending their title</li>
</ul>
<p>Unsurprisingly, the votes went according to the quality and style of the demo, not according to what was actually demoed. And the best demo certainly won. But none of the vendors showed any profound features. Throughout the conference everyone was talking about The Next Big Thing, Social Media, Engagement, Web 3.5, etc, etc. Yet all the CMS vendors simply showed their content entry forms! If I&#8217;d had a vote, I think I&#8217;d have voted for Microsoft (shock, horror!) based on a Most Improved Award mentality.</p>
<p>The whole event was great fun. The other two judges were mean &#8211; Erik being the hardest to please. I&#8217;m told that Erik looks like a kitten compared to <a href="http://twitter.com/tonybyrne">Tony Byrne</a>, who makes vendors cry. Finally, I often wonder how important the &#8220;sizzle&#8221; factor is in demos that are part of formal RFPs. I hope the buyers judge on more than the audiences at Web Idol do.</p>
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		<title>A FatWire In Shining Armour</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting play by FatWire. Our knights in shining armour have heard the shrill cries of distress from the damsels stuck at the top of Tower Vignette and Tower Interwoven and have gallantly offered to migrate them away to the safety of Castle FatWire for free. The name of the package (FatWire Rescue Program) implies the damsels are in serious trouble. Maybe this is a marketing stunt, maybe it is a genuine way for customers to save time and money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>Nobody to rescue me,<br />
Nobody would dare,<br />
I was going down for the last time,<br />
But by His mercy I&#8217;ve been spared<br />
- SAVED</p></blockquote>
<p>An interesting play by <a title="Fatwire" href="http://www.fatwire.com/">FatWire</a>. Our knights in shining armour have heard the shrill cries of distress from the damsels stuck at the top of Tower Vignette and Tower Interwoven and have gallantly offered to migrate them away to the safety of Castle FatWire for free. The name of the package (<span style="color: #000000;">FatWire Rescue  Program) implies the damsels are in serious trouble. </span>According to the <a title="press release" href="http://www.fatwire.com/cs/Satellite?c=FWText&amp;childpagename=FW%2FLayout&amp;cid=1218037054147&amp;p=1218036432307&amp;packedargs=cname%3DFatWire%2BLaunches%2BRescue%2BProgram%2Bfor%2BVignette%2Band%2BInterwoven%2BWeb%2B%26ulclass%3Dapproach-list&amp;pagename=FW%2FWrapper">press release</a>, they have a lot to worry about:</p>
<blockquote><p>This limited-time program enables organizations that are constrained by the rigidity of their current <strong>legacy</strong> WCM products, or concerned about the future direction of their current WCM vendor</p></blockquote>
<p>I love the sneaky use of the word legacay here. Vignette and Interwoven are suddenly legacy simply because they&#8217;ve been bought by OpenText and Autonomy respectively? Looking forward to seeing a response from VIGN/OTEX and IWOV/AU.  Interwoven is the <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&amp;STORY=/www/story/06-15-2009/0005043538&amp;EDATE=">fastest growing ECM vendor</a> and Vignette, despite recent troubles, are still fighting and releasing some cool new things. They certainly aren&#8217;t legacy in my books.</p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><a href="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/huge.65.325914.JPG"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-755" title="A Knight In Shining Armour" src="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/huge.65.325914.JPG" alt="A Knight In Shining Armour" width="450" height="337" /></a></span>It is going to be cheap and painless to migrate. No license costs! Woot! The <a title="press release" href="http://www.fatwire.com/cs/Satellite?c=FWText&amp;childpagename=FW%2FLayout&amp;cid=1218037054147&amp;p=1218036432307&amp;packedargs=cname%3DFatWire%2BLaunches%2BRescue%2BProgram%2Bfor%2BVignette%2Band%2BInterwoven%2BWeb%2B%26ulclass%3Dapproach-list&amp;pagename=FW%2FWrapper">press release</a> tells us that</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;">The program enables customers of these recently acquired companies to upgrade to FatWire’s industry-leading solutions at no license cost, when they employ FatWire’s proven migration tools and services that reduce the risk and increase the speed of migration.<br />
</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Oh, wait, maybe it isn&#8217;t that cheap at all. Our knight comes with strings attached. You need to use FatWire&#8217;s migration tools. These come in the form of partnerships with </span><span style="color: #000000;"><a title="Vamosa" href="http://www.vamosa.com/">Vamosa</a> and <a id="q5ww" title="Kapow" href="http://www.kapowtech.com/">Kapow</a>, two heavy hitters in the world of automated content migration. My first observation here is that these two, while both offering an excellent service, normally compete with each other. So I&#8217;d be interested in learning more about the way a company (or FatWire) decides which of the two products to run with. My second observation is that both of these products can come with a reasonably large price tag. I presume the model here is that FatWire will take some cut of the migration cost in return for referring customers to Vamosa or Kapow.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">The other piece of the revenue pie will come from the associated implementation services, either from <a href="http://www.fatwire.com/cs/Satellite/Page/Main/Services/Services">FatWire Professional Services</a> or an implementation partner. As Irina mentioned earlier today, <a href="http://irinaguseva.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/implementing-a-cms-costs-more-than-buying-a-cms/">implementing a CMS costs more than buying a CMS</a>. And what if it isn&#8217;t only a CMS in the mix. For example, you might have <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/05/06/omg-open-text-buy-grandpa-vignette/">Vignette Portal</a> in there too. Or one of <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/04/08/a-date-with-autonomyinterwoven/">Autonomy Interwoven&#8217;s many other products</a>. FatWire don&#8217;t have a <a href="http://www.fatwire.com/cs/Satellite/Page/Main/Products">product suite</a> to replace all of these components quite yet, so this offer seems to focus primarily on customers that only use the WCM product from their current vendor.</span></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about this offering to guess whether this migration will only cover the content management and migration aspects. Any delivery side &#8220;migration&#8221; will involve a significant amount of work. Maybe FatWire already have tools in place that can either statically deploy the same files generated by a baked Interwoven site, or replace the Vignette/Interwoven API with the FatWire one for fried sites.  All three products have a Java API so at least we don&#8217;t need to worry about language-level changes too.</p>
<p>Maybe this is a marketing stunt. I received my email from FatWire marketing as the announcement was made. But maybe it <span style="color: #000000;">is a genuine way for customers to save time and money if they are planning to migrate from their current platform. FatWire is a solid choice (Forrester just patted them on the back in the <a href="http://www.forrester.com/rb/Research/wave&amp;trade%3B_web_content_management_for_external_sites,/q/id/48024/t/2">WCM for External Sites</a> wave) and the content migration products are industry leaders.<br />
</span></p>
<div id="attachment_757" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 368px"><a href="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ForresterWaveResults.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-757" title="Forrester Wave" src="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ForresterWaveResults.jpg" alt="The Forrester Wave™: Web Content Management For External Sites, Q2 2009 " width="358" height="388" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The Forrester Wave™: Web Content Management For External Sites, Q2 2009 </p></div>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">If you are considering this option, I&#8217;d love to hear more from you once you know the costs involved and how the process will operate. They are many ways that this could work, and it&#8217;s all going to come out in the wash.</span></p>
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		<title>Why Content Migration Is Like Changing A Nappy</title>
		<link>http://jonontech.com/2009/05/27/why-content-migration-is-like-changing-a-nappy/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Marks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It's something I've been thinking about a fair bit these days, normally in the middle of the night. I've been burned a couple of times recently by extremely unpleasant content migrations, and extremely unpleasant nappy changes. Here are ten similarities. For those on the other side of the pond, a nappy is a diaper.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="dylan"><p>On a night like this<br />
I can&#8217;t get any sleep,<br />
The air is so cold outside<br />
And the snow&#8217;s so deep.<br />
- ON A NIGHT LIKE THIS</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, it just is. It&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve been thinking about a fair bit these days, normally in the middle of the night. I&#8217;ve been burned a couple of times recently by extremely unpleasant content migrations, and extremely unpleasant nappy changes. For those on the other side of the pond, a nappy is a diaper.</p>
<p><a href="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nappychanging.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-725" title="Nappy Changing" src="http://jonontech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nappychanging.jpg" alt="Nappy Changing" width="340" height="320" /></a></p>
<p>Some of the similarities are:</p>
<ul>
<li>The content is often extremely difficult to classify, and the consistency of the content is extremely variable</li>
<li>Bad content never smells very good regardless of the quality of the repository you try to store it in</li>
<li>Sometimes the state of the content is a symptom of some other illness</li>
<li>You never have all the tools you need within easy reach, and it gets really messy if you don&#8217;t know what you are doing</li>
<li>There is always more content than you thought was possible, and if the system is in a bad state, the content export can take much longer than expected</li>
<li>There is no chance you can completely automate it</li>
<li>It often involves running scripts throughout the night &#8211; it is never just a day job</li>
<li>You thought it was out of scope until you find yourself doing it</li>
<li>Shortly after you think you&#8217;ve finished migrating the content, you find more content to migrate</li>
</ul>
<p>Trust me. I&#8217;ve migrated a lot of content, and I&#8217;ve changed a lot of nappies. Fortunately, there is one big difference &#8211; it is much harder to extract the content from the source than to put it into the target repository. Thankfully, when changing a nappy, the content only comes out. And content never pisses in your eye.</p>
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